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Bordetella Vaccination for Dogs: Fraud and Fallacy

July/August 2010 Issue

Bordetella or Kennel Cough is commonly required by boarding kennels and veterinary hospitals. These vaccinations are delivered to a staggeringly large percentage of dogs and the reason is not to protect your dog: the reason is to protect these facilities against liability.

The proprietors who push for these vaccines may be assuming more liability than they can handle and the stakes are very high. The truth is, the vaccines are not only ineffective but they are far from safe. Yet they are routinely given to combat a self limiting disease that amounts to as much danger to your dog as the common cold does to you.

What is interesting is that when you bring your dog to the vet for his Bordetella vaccination, he will have already been exposed to the natural flora: all animals are exposed to both Bordetella and Parainfluenza prior to vaccination. It makes little sense to vaccinate an animal for something he has already been exposed to.

There are at least forty agents capable of initiating Bordetella so vaccination might appear to be prudent if it weren’t for the fact that only two of these agents are contained in the intranasal vaccine. This poor percentage truly makes the Bordetella vaccine a shot in the dark. The lack of efficacy is well summarized by noted immunologist Dr. Ronald Schultz: “Kennel Cough is not a vaccinatable disease”.

Despite the lack of any real effectiveness, the Bordetella vaccine is routinely given and touted as safe, especially in the intranasal form. Make no mistake however: the dangers and misinformation surrounding this seemingly innocuous spray are just as tangible and frightening as any other vaccination. A major problem with the Bordetella vaccine is that it is part of a combination vaccine. Unbeknownst to most pet owners, the Bordetella intranasal spray also contains Parainfluenza (the vaccine for which is not surprisingly, just as ineffective as Bordetella). The problems with the Parainfluenza portion
are threefold.

First, there is a real danger of dangerous immunological overload when vaccinations are offered in combination. Second, like Bordetella, most dogs have already been exposed to Parainfluenza, making the necessity of vaccination questionable. Third, the Parainfluenza vaccine is just as ineffective as the Bordetella vaccine because the vaccine does not provide antibody against Parainfluenza where it is most needed: on the mucosal surfaces.

Other dangers associated with the Bordetella vaccine are obviously not far removed from the dangers associated with any other vaccination. Although Bordetella is a bacterial vaccine, we now know that bacterial vaccines present the same threat as Modified Live Vaccines. Modified Live Viruses from human vaccines are now known to become incorporated in the genes of the host and can shuffle, reassert, and reactivate thirty or more years after vaccination.

Bacterial genes are capable of the same activity, lurking in the genetic makeup, waiting to replicate and awaken. The intranasal Bordetella vaccine has
been known to activate a previously asymptomatic collapsing trachea and disrupt phagocytic activity which can progress to pneumonia. The toxins from the vaccine will also kill the ciliated lining of the trachea, creating a denuded area susceptible to anything coming down the windpipe. Perhaps collapsing trachea, irritable tracheas and pneumonias are all complications of Bordetella and the Bordetella vaccine.

Vaccination of any sort also elevates histamine which can promote cancer, chronic inflammation and loss of tolerance. In general, all vaccination creates immune dysregulation and is responsible for a vast array of pathology. The Bordetella vaccine can wreak havoc outside the body as well. Bordetella will shed from a vaccinated host for seven weeks while Parainfluenza will shed for a week. This means that every vaccinated dog is a walking dispenser of potentially damaging bacteria.

While the risk to other dogs is obvious, it should be of little concern to healthy dogs because Bordetella is generally a self limiting disease. What you might find surprising is that the shed bacteria is a risk to other animals…and to people. The reason we now have a feline Bordetella (and not surprisingly, a feline Bordetella vaccine), is likely thanks to the widespread use and subsequent shedding of Bordetella from vaccinated dogs to cats sharing the household. If this seems hard to imagine, consider how dogs first fell victim to Canine Influenza.

golden retrievers

Canine Influenza was initially documented in racing greyhounds. It is worth noting that many of these dogs shared tracks with race horses: race horses who are routinely vaccinated with Equine Influenza. It is not a stretch to predict Bordetella will infect gerbils, hamsters and rabbits in the near future and it is with certainty that the vaccine manufacturers will be well rewarded with the continued fruits of their canine Bordetella vaccine.

Not surprisingly, humans are not left out of the equation. Ruth Berkelman MD (Former Assistant Surgeon General, US Public Health Service) writes: “The potential for both exposure and for adverse consequences secondary to exposure to veterinary vaccines in humans is growing. Enhanced efforts are needed to recognize and to prevent human illness associated with the use of veterinary vaccines”. Dr. Berkelman noted that pertussis an whooping cough-like complaints in children followed exposure to Bordetella bronchiseptica from the Bordetella vaccine and it is no coincidence that Bordetella bronchiseptica and whooping cough pertussis are very closely related. Interestingly, the rate of whooping cough is highest in highly vaccinated populations.

Immunocompromised humans and animals are at an elevated risk of infection from these canine vaccines. There is a recently reported case of Bordetella bronchiseptica pneumonia in a kidney and pancreas transplant patient who had to board and subsequently vaccinate her dogs at a veterinary clinic while she was hospitalized. Vaccines contain contaminating agents including mycoplasmas which are also very communicable to humans and other mammals.

In the end, vaccination for Bordetella is at best fruitless and at worst, a pathetic fraudulence at the hands of veterinarians and vaccine manufacturers. It is up to you whether or not your dog receives this vaccination and that is not overstating the obvious. Sadly, most pet owners are aware of this but choose vaccination because they feel they are at the mercy of boarding kennels, training schools and veterinarians.

Patricia Monahan Jordan is a graduate of the North Carolina College of Veterinary Medicine. She practiced conventional veterinary medicine for twenty years and founded six different veterinary facilities in North Carolina. Dr. Jordan has traced the paths of immunopathology to vaccine administration and uncovered the cycle of disease and the endless cycle of disease management that results from vaccine administration. Dr. Jordan can be reached at www.dr-jordan.com.

© 2010 Dogs Naturally Magazine. This article may not be reproduced or reprinted in whole or in part without prior written consent of Intuition Publishing.

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  • 103 Responses to Bordetella Vaccination for Dogs: Fraud and Fallacy

    1. DogRescuer

      Very interesting article. For those who don’t believe Bordetella vaccines aren’t necessary – I have been rescuing, grooming, boarding, and caring for dogs and cats most of my life. I have been through vet tech school and have worked as a vet tech for many years – I now work for a holistic vet that doesn’t promote vaccines – WHY? Because they DO NOT work! Parvo? A very real concern – But seldom fatal if caught and treated early IF the dog has not been vaccinated – in my years of clinical experience, the puppies never vaccinated almost always survived Parvo. The ones that where the sickest and most likely to die from Parvo are the ones who had received 1-2 vaccines already and still got Parvo. My experience has been that if you feed a dog a species-appropriate diet free from the grains, chemicals, preservative, and junk most commercial dog foods contain that damage the immune system, focus on building up NATURAL defenses, and provide a safe and health enviornment, your dog will be far healthier than it’s vaccinated, chemically treated, kibble fed counterparts.

      Back to Bordetella. Years ago when I first started my rescue program I took in a dog from a local shelter that had just been vaccinated for bordetella and other diseases. 2 days later this dog started coughing horribly – The vet diagnosed, you guessed it, bordetella. At the time I was also showing dogs, and my show dogs had never been vaccinated for bordetella. I also had several rescues and fosters with unknown vaccine histories, and several I knew had been vaccinated for bordetella before. An interesting thing happened. The dog that had first developed bordetella progressed to pneumonia and took a lot of care to get healthy again. EVERY SINGLE DOG that I knew had been vaccinated for bordetella showed symptoms to various levels. A few of the dogs I didn’t know the complete vaccine history on also started coughing, but not all of them. NONE of my own dogs or the dogs I knew had never had a bordetella vaccine ever showed a single sniffle. I have had similar things happen since. Spoke MILES to me of not just how ineffective this vaccine truly is, but how DAMAGING it is!

    2. Jon

      Here’s a fun anecdote: Both my dogs have been given this evil vaccine for their entire lives, and neither has ever gotten kennel cough.

    3. Syrita Barbera

      So wish I would have found this article before I vaccinated my 13 week old pom last Saturday. 4 days later and she is sniffing, sneezing and coughing. I am so upset. Is there anything I can do to help her get over this? And when should I take her to the vet? She is eating fine and active. Thanks

    4. Kim

      I’m in Australia and my 5 year old Miniature Schnauzer got her KC Kennel Cough(Bordetella) vaccination 3 weeks ago via Intra-Nasal, 1 week ago she started having trouble walking, ended up completely paralysed and could not even hold her own head up.

      This had happened one year ago with the same vaccine but in injection form, but with 3 months of intensive care, physio and aqua therapy she learnt to walk again and had a normal and healthy life, you would never have known she was ever paralysed. No one would admit or confirm it was due to the vaccine though, we thought the vet that administered it had messed up and injected it in/near her spinal chord which in turn fried her nervous system.

      This time though, she died, in our arms at 3am when she stopped breathing, my husband and I honestly thought we could nurse her through it and knew we were never vaccinating her again. But that decision came too late and she died. If just one of the vets had told us we didnt need her vaccinated we would still have our baby girl.

    5. Caitlin

      Monday November 5th my 9 week old Boxer puppy received a distemper shot along with the bordetella vaccine. The morning of Tuesday November 6th she stopped in her playtime and gasped for air. My first instinct was that she may be choking but with a quick examination I found that there was nothing blocking her airway. As she continued to gasp for air, she quickly turned blue and I rushed to the nearest vet (not even a mile down the road) however it was too late. She was already gone by the time we talked through the door. I have been searching for an answer, and to find what could be her cause of death. I asked the vet if he thought the vaccines the day before had anything to do with death and he of course, replied no. He also did not think that she was choking on anything as he could not find anything that would have interfered with breathing either. It is scary to come across the information on this page about the bordetella vaccine. I am almost certain now that it was the reason we lost our little puppy.

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        Caitlin, we’re so sorry to hear this. As people look deeper into vaccines, there are many risks that need to be addressed.

        • Ron Casola

          I just moved from Phoenix, Arizona to San Antoino, Texas. Obvoiusly the humidity in Phoneix is MUCH lower than that of San Antonio’s. Are there precautions I need to take to protect my 2 year old mini doxy? He does cough from time to time which he has done about once a month. Are fleas and tics more prevelant in the humid climates?

          Can you also advise on the corona vaccine?

          Thank you!!!

      • Patricia Griffith

        There is another reason your Boxer puppy could have died suddenly. It is a hereditary genetic defect known as JRD, Juvenile Renal Dysplasia. I lost my Boxer pet 4 years ago from this horror, and her littermate died in his puppy pen suddenly and without warning or explanation, at 4 weeks of age, Go to DOGenes website and go to my dog’s story, Diary of a JRD Dog for more information. I share your sorrow.

    6. Shay Ross

      I have to say, I arrived at this article when searching on Bordatella/Upper Respiratory issues in dogs. All of my dogs have been vaccinated against Bordatella, and they all currently have it. It is a mild case in all of them so far so although the vaccine seems completely ineffective at prevention, maybe it has made it a milder case in each of them.

    7. Ana Cristina

      Hello, I am happy to find out that I am not the only one against vaccinations, neither on animals nor on humans.
      If I had the power to abolish them I would certainly do it!
      What limits me is while I travel with my chihuahua to other countries… It is necessary to have vaccines against flu and morbillo, rather than raibie. How can I avoid vaccinating my pet if they won’t allow her into other countries? Is there a possibility to prevent injecting her against useless viruses?

    8. Jane

      Hmm, my own search of Dr. Ron Schultz’s stand on bordetella (kennel cough) vaccination led me to this issue of the Veterinary Practice News: http://www.veterinarypracticenews.com/vet-dept/small-animal-dept/titers-join-debate-on-vaccine-frequency.aspx

      Here, he was quoted as follows (under the section “Titer Results”):

      “Vaccines given annually for diseases such as leptospirosis and kennel cough should actually be given more frequently (at least annually) because they’re not as powerful as the core vaccines.”

      Perhaps this veterinary immunologist’s views on the bordetella vaccine have not been fully understood (and quoted) by this magazine?

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        What Dr Schultz is referring to in this quote is the fact that bacterial vaccines are known to have an efficacy of less than 12 months. This has nothing to do with whether he endorses the vaccine or not. Here is his full quote below. If you attend one of his vaccine seminars or that of Jean Dodds, you will hear these words right out of his mouth. So no, we are no misquoting nor misunderstanding Dr. Schultz in any way shape or form.

        “Many animals receive “kennel cough” vaccines that include Bordetella and CPI and/or CAV-2 every 6 to 9 months without evidence that this frequency of vaccination is necessary or beneficial. In contrast, other dogs are never vaccinated for kennel cough and disease is not seen. CPI immunity lasts at least 3 years when given intranasally, and CAV -2 immunity lasts a minimum of 7 years parenterally for CAV-I. These two viruses in combination with Bordetella bronchiseptica are the agents most often associated with kennel cough, however, other factors play an important role in disease (e.g. stress, dust, humidity, molds, mycoplasma, etc.), thus kennel cough is not a vaccine preventable disease because of the complex factors associated with this disease.”

    9. This article has clearly generated a lot of controversy in the comments.
      Why don’t you address some of these such as the request for any documentation for your claims of the ineffectiveness of kennel cough vaccination? (BTW – repeated references to anecdotal information from a vet immunologist doesn’t count)
      There are also several obvious errors you should correct:

      “he will have already been exposed to the natural flora: all animals are exposed to both Bordetella and Parainfluenza prior to vaccination” – Incorrect: Bordatella is a specific pathogen, not normal flora. Some animals do become lifelong carriers (often with lifelong symptoms) but not all dogs have Bordatella so your puppy is unlikely to be exposed to it.

      “There are at least forty agents capable of initiating Bordetella” – OK, this is just sloppy. I think you mean Kennel cough. This article does appear to have been written by a vet so perhaps this is just a typo rather than misunderstaning. Lets hope.

      “Vaccines contain contaminating agents including mycoplasmas ” – This is misleading and innacurate. Vaccines are manufactured in a controlled environment and tested for contaminants: while some may inadvertently contain contaminants this would be an exception rather than the rule. Note that mycoplasma is another common cause of respiratory disease in dogs and other animals.

      Also, your article (and many readers comments) understate the impact of Bordatella infection in dogs. The cough is extremely debilitating, with dogs coughing all night, coughing till they vomit and often getting quite run down during the course of disease which often lasts more than a week.
      Worse, many infected dogs develop severe, untreatable coughs later in life. Many dogs appear to recover but carry the infection without showing signs.

      As requested multiple times in the comments, why not back your article up with some basic references to help guide your readers in making an informed choice about vaccination.

      • Jonathan Amgar

        Thank you, you saved me a lot of typing energy! There are many generalities here and as a veterinarian who has apparently had a long and productive career it’s a little worrisome to see you presenting information in a black and white type of perspective. To the person who would eliminate vaccines altogether, why don’t you ask people who have lived through eras where vaccines did not exist or one person who’s had an animal die because of not being vaccinated for something quite preventable. In regards to kennel cough syndrome or complex, which includes several infectious organisms, one of them being bordetella bronchiseptica. There is quite a high morbidity rate and even through the mortality rate is quite low, there is increased chances of secondary infections or problems and increase chances of having chronic problems. In those animals that had upper respiratory problems after the intranasal vaccine I’m curious to know if they did not have an underlying problem already present.

        Vaccines definitely have their risks and I agree that vaccination protocols in the past may have been excessive, I think today’s guidelines are much more practical and we have a much better understanding of how and why we do things.

    10. Paul Bates

      I was required to give my dog the kennel cough vaccine as i was going on holiday and putting her into a kennel in the UK…that was 3 weeks ago ..if only i could turn back time,as she has developed Pneumonia,she is at this time laying asleep on my couch with a feeding tube in her neck,she has lost over a stone in weight in this time and is in some distress with her breathing..the insurance has ran out after spending over £3500….all i can do now is keep her comfortable and hope the antibiotics work…shes sutch a lovely dog and didnt deserve this….all u dog lovers out there beware,the vets said its a coincidence….some how i dont believe it…

    11. MsMoneypenny

      SO glad we have a holistic vet. The ONLY vaccine my dog gets is the legally required rabies vaccine- and he gets a homeopathic chaser so he won’t get any side effects. I don’t board him- the best thing you can do is have a friend or relative stay with your pet- or vice versa. I would never patronize any business that requires anything that my dog’s vet says he doesn’t need!

    12. Wendi

      I just go ta Shar Pei puppy and I was ignorant and tusting in the vet to administer the proper vaccinations without question. A mistake I will not repeat. Kona had the Boredetta nasal vaacination done and five days later she has a clear nasal drip, her eyes are mucusing up while sleeping, sleeps more, it sounds as if she is extra snorkely from mucus (Shar-Peis are noisy as it is). She came down with these side effects on Saturday and now it’s Tuesday and she may be a bit better. I would rather not take her to a vet to get antibiotics unless absolutely necessary. I would rather treat her with something not harmful to her system. Any suggestions?

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        If this were my dog, I would just wait it out and treat it homeopathically.

      • Deb Sanford

        Hi Wendy, I would treat her homeopathicluy for now. The ingredient you are looking for is Drosera rotundifola.

        This is the cough medicine I found it in. It worked great. My Vet told me to get robitussin but my dog hated the taste, this one has no taste to it.


        you can buy it on line but you may also find it in a local health food store.

        Good luck!!

    13. Larissa Daigle

      I am suspicious of any article that doesn’t post references to it’s wild claims. I’m also concerned about the aggressive response to veterinarians. Regardless of how long a vet’s been praticing, they will never be able to know everything about every topic. To assume they are being negligent by not knowing something is an immature response that I am disappointed to see Dogs Naturally make.

      I am a recent graduate of a Veterinary Technician school. I did a Google search for ‘Bordetella Intranasal Vaccine’ to see what I could learn about it and a link led me here. I usually avoid looking at reply posts because the petty, insulting and immature comments disgust me. I can’t say this post has changed my mind. =(

      I would implore Dogs Naturally to request authors include in-line refernces to lend legitimacy and truthfulness to the articles. All I wish for is that scientifically backed up truth is disseminated. Anecdotal evidence is fine as a starting point, but with genetic variability and underlying health conditions masked, many problems seen in animals can and do have other explanations.

      Thank you.

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        Larissa, if you contact Dr. Jordan directly, she would be pleased to provide you with all the references you require. The article as published in Dogs Naturally Magazine also has full references.

    14. Nikki

      Politely disagree. I am not pro-vaccination, by any means, however ‘kennel cough’ made it’s rounds through my household by way of a rescue dog. The ONLY dog in my house not affected was my smallest Chi (3 lbs. 7 year old spayed female). She was vaccinated as a pup by her previous owner. She carries immunity several years later and I am thankful.

    15. Cassie

      My 11-Month-Old female Border Collie got a Bordetello vaccine yesterday, and has been coughing and sneezing. She also vomited last night. My golden retriever also vomitted the next day (who had not gone to the vet the previous day). Are they sick??? I hope they’ll be okay, and if they are sick, I’ll never let them get that vaccine again!

      • RJ


        Your vet should warn you that you can get a low grade infection from the vaccine. Sounds like your dogs both need antibiotics and cough suppressants. Bordetella is highly contagious especially to unvaccinated or immune compromised animals. The point of this vaccine is to decrease the side effects or the full blown virus! Get a titer test on them! Bordetella vaccine is only good for six months at a time and if your dog still has high titers you do NOT need to re vaccinate. You can titer test for all vaccines every year to avoid over vaccinating your pet. Its a simple blood draw and when you get your results back you can then discuss with your vet if you need the booster shots or not. My dogs Distemper and Rabies titers have been great for the last 5 years – no need to re vaccinate if they have the immunity in there system.

        If your vet seems clueless about this information I would highly suggest you find a different vet or speak with a holistic vet in your area. You seem pretty unaware of the basics of the vaccine you just received – something that you and your vet REALLY should have discussed BEFORE it was given to your dog! If the vets unwilling to talk about the details – move on! Your vet should be more than willing to discuss all the pros and cons to different vaccines and medications when you ask. I always recommend that when you make the appointment let them know you have questions (they will book a longer spot for you!) and bring a list for yourself so you have your questions and room to write your vets responses. When your in the office you may think your on the ball but your usually stressed, concerned, and trying to take in a bunch of information at once. Its always good to be able to come back to that information and always ask the vet if they have hand outs or websites that detail what they are recommending. A good vet will have sources to back them selves up!

        I hope I gave you a little help and things to think about for future.

    16. Michelle

      We just went through a flea battle in our house. I have a 9 year old GSD who we never knew was allergic to flea bites (or she just developed it). She had gotten her rabies shot and shortly after that ended up on antibiotics…(which looking back at her history on paper, it was so easy to see the trend of vaccine/antibiotic for several years…wish I’d recognized it years ago!). Anyway, this led to a weakened immune system. Then came along the fleas and allergic reaction, and she has now been battling skin infection for a few months (but that’s another story).
      We battled the fleas and finally won with Cedar Oil. I treated the yard, the house, the furniture, the cars, the dogs…everything. And vacuum, vacuum, vacuum. Daily. Every day. It took us a few weeks, but we won! Once the fleas are gone, it then becomes about maintenance. We raw feed, we add organic apple cider vinegar (with the mother) to their diet, and we spray them with a variety of things, rotating to avoid resistance build up (eucalyptus oil, tea tree oil, sprinkle with DE, cedar oil, lavender, etc.). Am I doing it all perfectly? Probably not, but it’s working for us. :)
      A good reference book is the Encyclopedia of Natural Pet Care. The book can be a little crazy to follow sometimes, and there’s no “magic bullet” or “specific formula” that works for every dog. But it’s great for reference.
      Good luck.

      • Kathleen Murphy

        tee tree oil can be toxic.

    17. Great article! Just confirms why I don’t over vaccinating my dogs!!

    18. Amy

      fleas, I use tea tree oil diluted and sometimes even add neem oil. neem oil can be puchased at a lowes is it also for organic gardening. I use Dr Bronners soaps he has one with tea tree oil. Ive used neem to spray my carpet. I vacuum every day. in the yard since I have fowl I use food grade DE. ie Diatomaceous earth. for the 4 legged pets yard I also have used Dawn dishwashing liquid on the yard. not too much with water goes a long way. not when sun is high. I do again in a week. fleas in florida are a constant battle. but the vaccines have made the conditions of my animals worse. I no longer want them vaccinated. EVER! when I relized that the medical pharma companies chemical compaies are killing us I knew that they are part of culling our animals as well. learn how to heal naturally. it’s the food, need real living food, not cooked, even for humans!

    19. Cynthia Eliason

      My kennel, my rules. It has nothing to do with state law, it has to do with protecting my kennel and YOUR dog against a disease. It is not a serious disease, but if there is an outbreak at my kennel everyone whose dog gets sick will be mad at me, and you’ll blame me for YOUR failure to prevent it. I am old enough to remember the time before there was a vaccine, and outbreaks were frequent. After the vaccine was developed and the vets and kennels where I worked started to require it, there were no more kennel-wide outbreaks, just a few isolated minor cases and most dogs didn’t get the disease at all.
      It has nothing to do with my liability. You sign a release that says YOU assume any risk involved in boarding your dog. If you don’t care about his health enough to have him vaccinated, that’s his problem, not mine. No vaccine is 100% effective but they do work well to reduce the frequency and severity of the cough. Anyone who was working in the pet industry in the years before and after the vaccine was invented should remember noticing the difference. I’m not required by law to make you show proof of ANY vaccinations when you bring your pet to board. I do it to protect all the pets in my care, including my own.

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        Cynthia, with all due respect, the world’s leading veterinary immunologist disagrees with you. Not only does Dr. Ronald Schultz not recommend the bordetella vaccine, he states that it is not a “vaccinatable disease.” There is no research that I’m aware of to support your claims and as editor of the magazine, I am in constant contact with veterinarians and researchers and they work hard to keep us up to date. So far, I have found nothing. There isn’t even information supporting the effectiveness of most human vaccines. The reason is, nobody is doing it. The vaccine manufacturers produce them and we dutifully give them to our pets and our children without even asking for long term studies or proof of efficacy in the field. How many more girls have to die from Gardisil before people wake up? Vaccination is now the leading cause of Polio which has become an epidemic in third world countries. Most emerging diseases are retroviruses which are likely caused by vaccines and vaccine shedding.
        It’s a complicated topic with frightening ramifications. People need to start asking for the research showing vaccine safety – long term and in the field – and the answer will be “there is none.” Am I the only one who is frightened by this?

      • Sandy

        I have to agree with Cynthia on this one, sorry Dr. Schultz or whoever is writing this post, but I am an educated person, I have read ALOT on vaccines. I have years of experience, and have researched what you should and shouldn’t do to your dogs, I am not a vet, but life experience has taught me so much, more than books or most studies have ever done. I have bred dogs for 20 years (only 6 litters FYI ), showed dogs all over the country for over 10 years and ran my own boarding kennel for 10 years. I don’t believe in over vaccinating for anything, my own dogs are not over vaccinated, Rabies by law until a certain age and then they “pass away”, puppy shots then a booster and then when I feel they need it, or if they are in a high risk situtation, aka shows/trials/etc. I do believe the intra-nasal kennel cough vaccine does “work” to an extent better than these “studies” show or by doing anything at all. Yes it is a self-limiting illness, but dogs that have been vaccinated do recover faster than ones that haven’t been vaccinated or treated for it. I require it for the safety of the dogs staying here because it is highly contagious, when I first started in dogs and didn’t vaccinate like I do now, I saw it go from one to another even with no or limited contact. I require the Intra-nasal vaccine at least 7 days prior to coming to my kennel, do I think it is perfect, NO. But since I have implemented that protocol I have had very limited to no problems. The argument that “you feed a great diet and take excellent care of your pet” doesn’t apply to everyone that has a pet or boards a dog. Most people I come into contact with feed the cheapest crap they can afford because their “vet” tells them “if they are doing OK don’t worry about the food it doesn’t matter”, even if they aren’t doing OK aka allergies, illnesses, they just don’t even ask what they are eating! REALLY?? It is this person’s opinion or that person’s study it doesn’t matter to everyone, it all comes down to what a person believes or knows from personal experience. I know what I know after 20+ years experience, are there studies that have been done for a 20 year span? I can’t answer that, I can just say what I know to be true to my situation.

      • RJ


        I have to agree with you 100%! I cant believe what I have just read and the fact that these people are advocating not vaccinating! I have worked in the veterinary field for the last 12 years and I am highly against over vaccinating and run annual titers on my dogs prior to vaccination just to be sure I am doing whats best for there health. I have to laugh at the magazines response to your post about not giving human vaccines either! There was just an entire study done proving that idiots like that who don’t properly immunize there children are the CAUSE of things like small pox becoming a serious issue and threat in the united states in 2012-2013! I don’t understand peoples thought processes some times but I can appreciate a woman who will help speak up!

        The reality is all vaccines, medication and medical treatments have side effects…anyone notice that Excedrin has been pulled from the market? Yes after years of hundreds of thousands of people using a product the FDA shut them down! Its part of life! If people actually sat down and read the list of side effects and possible issues associated with a drug they would never take it again! Proheart…anyone remember that??? Wonderful Six month shot that protected dogs from heart worm disease. It was tested in labs for 3 years before they put it out on the market and within the first year it caused 25 dog deaths and was immediately pulled from the market. Not every side effect can be for seen!

        And for anyone who has ever had an un vaccinated dog get kennel cough let me ask – how many days did your dog have to stay at the hospital? Oh and how much did that cost? and did your dog get the very common pneumonia that comes along with the un vaccinated dog that gets kennel cough? The bordetella vaccine is much like the human flu vaccine! It is NOT meant to completely prevent your dog from getting sick – it is to help lessen the potentially deadly side effects that come with the virus! Having working in emergency vet care for many years I can not tell you how many un vaccinated puppies I watched suffer and die because they didn’t get the stupid $15 shot!

        If you don’t want to vaccinate your dog, fine by me! Don’t bring it near me or anyone else’s dog for that matter – just like that un vaccinated child that really should spend its life indoors to avoid giving us small pox!

    20. Jena Gammon

      I have an immune suppressed dog. I only feed raw and do not vaccinate. My regualr vet, knowing the my dog was immune suppressed, continued to give her yearly vaccinations. At the time, I hadn’t done the research. Since then, I have switched to a holistic vet and we DO NOT vaccinate my dog. She has had some serious effects from vaccinosis. Please take the time to do the research to make your own decision. Your pet’s life is worth it.

    21. Wouldn’t a titer test be able to tell if the natural antibodies are there ot if the vaccines is needed??? Why are vets not sharing the info from Dr Dodds and Hemopet? I had many dog friends not know that the T5 was available now. this should be explained to pet owners. IMO

      • Also remember that you can always use Thuja prior to vaccinating to assist in no reaction.

    22. Dogs Naturally
      Dogs Naturally

      I don’t think we need to apologize for our remarks. Please look at it from a dog owner’s point of view. Over thirty years ago, Dr. Ronald Schultz found that vaccines last for at least seven years and likely for the life of the animal. The veterinary associations came up with an arbitrary number of three years for annual revaccination and vets happily went on vaccinating dogs either annually or every three years – hopefully with the understanding that these vaccines are potentially harmful to dogs. Eight years after those initial guidelines, Dr. Schultz has done even more research to prove lifelong immunity, Dr. Jean Dodds has been instrumental in showing the link between modified live vaccines and autoimmune disease, and the vets continue to vaccinate either annually or every three years. Are we angry at vets? You bet! Are we suspicious of vets? Yes! Are we frustrated because they are not looking at data that is right in front of their faces? Yes!

      The sad fact remains that pets today are over-serviced by veterinarians and we pet owners, and our dogs, pay the price. Not only do we pay for unnecessary vaccines, we pay for the autoimmune diseases they cause – we shell out for allergy meds, for soloxine, for arthritis meds, for expensive veterinary foods that are overly-processed bags of cardboard that scream conflict of interest.

      So excuse me if, when a vet comes on this board and asks if double blind studies were done on bordetella vaccines when vaccines have not ever been tested in the field in the first place. The world’s leading immunologist not only says that vaccines last for the life of a dog, but that bordetella is not a vaccinatable disease. I understand that bacterial vaccines have a different duration of immunity but WHY IS NOBODY ASKING FOR DOUBLE BLIND STUDIES TO SHOW THAT VACCINATING FOR BORDETELLA IS A GOOD IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE? Dr. Jordan has no financial interest in doing the research she does – in fact, it has cost her many jobs. On the other hand, the pharmaceutical companies have everything to gain from bordetella vaccines and your first impulse is to question Dr. Jordan?

      We provided research data to Dr. O’Connor but I stand by my statement that if you are asking for it, then you have not done your homework on vaccinology and immunology. Vets are not listening to Drs Ronald Schultz and W Jean Dodds, and this vet was not listening to Dr. Jordan either. In my opinion, Dr. O’Connor’s question was not exactly innocent and her disdain was quite evident. If she was truly interested in the research, then why didn’t she consult her colleague privately instead of preaching about evidence-based medicine on a public board, which was obviously meant to belittle Dr. Jordan. Forgive me if this was not her intent, but vets have taught me to be very suspicious. I am angry about the damage that vets have done to my dogs through unnecessary vaccination and I regret that this sometimes shows in my posts. Neither you nor Dr. O’Connor has made me feel any better about veterinary professionals and that is a real shame because I truly want to. Your profession is broken and we wish more of you would see this and try to fix it. Dogs Naturally is not here to be kind to vets. Our job is to educate consumers so we can force change because it appears that until your pocketbooks are threatened, you are not going to listen. We’ve given you nearly 40 years – what will it take?

      • I have to agree with Dr Jordan and Dogs Naturally. Veterinarians need to use some of their annual CPD requirements to come up to date with current research.

        A friend of mine and well known author on this subject once told me she sat on an plane waiting to take off. Her fellow passenger in the next seat opened a medical test book and began reading. Making conversation she asked if he was a doctor and he said he’d been out of practice for several years and was reading up on various subjects.

        The conversation turned to annual vaccinations for dogs – his response ……… “My God you will kill them” I have read vets comments on many forums and areans where they say that veterinary training in immunology at university is far from adequete which is worrying from the consummer point of view and onlt today I have read that a Class action law suit is being brought in Illinois arising from the misrepresentation of the need for vaccinations for your pets.


        Let’s hope it succeeds which will send a resounding message that for too long we have been paying out for unneeded vaccinations and subsequent veterinary bills for the problems these vaccines casue and at last the consumer will have some redress.

    23. Jim Wasson DVM

      Dr O,Connor, I too was appalled by the rude comments you received. You simply asked for the research to back up their claims. Instead of research data they called you names that appear to me as not only unprofessional but proof that no double blinded study was done. That is the “gold standard” we live by.

    24. Annette

      I own and run a private dog park and training club. I do not push vaccines, but by law we are required to have proof of rabies and bordatella on all dogs on the property or risk losing our license. I encourage our clients to go the titer route as we can accept that in place of proof of vaccines. (Except for rabies, we have NO choice but to have proof of current vaccinations). Of course the issue for many is that doing a titer is more expensive than just getting the shots done, so most of our clients just do the shots to save the money and effort, sigh.

    25. I forgot to say, that since I’ve stopped vaccinating for Bordatella, even when I’ve had rescues in here with bad cases of KC, none of my dogs have “caught” it from infected dogs. I had much more of a problem with it when I was giving the vaccines, so that proved to me that the vaccines were not only not needed, they were causing my dogs to get sick!


    26. Hi,
      I’ve never responded to this forum before, but am reading this thread with great interest, as I’ve long been an advocate of not over vaccinating our dogs.

      Here is a bit of history and why I agree that the Bordatella vaccine (as well as others) are not only un-necessary, they can actually cause a problem instead of prevent one.

      I am not a vet, but I am a long time breeder and rescuer of Schipperkes, and I have a lot of rescues in and out of here, many from shelters, and many of them come to me with bad cases of so called “kennel cough”. I’ve also worked at large commercial boarding kennels and vets.

      Back in the beginning (like 30 years ago) I used to buy into the myth that I must protect my own dogs from the dreaded “KC” that they were exposed to because of dog shows and the exposure from the dogs I rescued. What I discovered was that when I was giving the vaccines to my own dogs, they would often get kennel cough, sometimes in conjunction with me taking in rescues, but other times, it seemed to be “airborne”. The KC would often last for weeks and weeks, sometimes even months, despite the fact I vaccinated for it.

      So, I stopped giving the vaccine. After giving it a lot of thought, I realized that for one thing, there are SO many causes of so called “kennel cough” (aka tracheal bronchitis) that a vaccine couldn’t possibly control all those causes. Secondly and maybe more importantly, specifically, viral kennel cough (which is what we were supposedly vaccinating for) also had many different viruses that caused it to occur, new viruses, mutating viruses, etc., that we were absolutely wasting our time and money vaccinating for it (sort of like trying to swat bees while they swarm around you). And in fact, as has been stated, in many cases, dogs become ill from the vaccine itself.

      When I give puppies shots, I start them with only partial doses of the vaccines. I also do not believe in vaccinating my adult, healthy dogs for anything, once they’ve had their series of “puppy shots”. I test titers for Parvo and Distemper (the two most deadly viruses) and so far, all the adults have come back with good titers, proving (to me at least) that “regular vaccines” are not only a waste, I think they are extremely damaging to the immune systems of healthy animals (this has been proven to me by experience over the years, but that’s another long story).

      Anyway, this is a very interesting forum, keep up the good work, one word of advise to the authors though, you do catch more flies with honey than salt, sometimes it’s best not to go for the jugular so to speak, or to say things in your responses to people questioning your information, that can be perceived as just “personal attacks” on people who are debating the issues with you.

      Keep up the good work, I’m sharing your link with my Schipperke internet lists!

    27. Wenonah

      With the absence of supporting citations, this article strikes me as another “vaccine conspiracy theory” opinion piece, such as the now utterly discredited scare on the effects of multiple vaccination on autism in children. Yes, infectious canine tracheobronchitis (kennel cough) is a naturally self limiting disease in most animals, but is highly contagious, and can have serious consequences for some animals. Not to mention it can result in significant vet bills for pet owners. Is the vaccine 100% effective – well no, of course not; probably none are, especially when there are multiple causative agents (a bit like the flu vaccine really, which has limited effectiveness since it’s targeted against specific strain(s)). Does the benefit of using the nasal vaccine it outweigh the risk – yes, almost certainly. So – Please cite the peer reviewed clinical evidence to support the position that the modern nasal vaccine for kennel cough is ineffective and/or harmful, so people can make properly informed decisions. And I mean proper peer reviewed citations, not “opinion” based on limited unblinded studies and hearsay.

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        Please contact the author directly for citations. She will happily supply them.
        The effects of vaccination on autism in children has not been discredited. There is a plethora of research showing this, much of it having nothing to do with Dr. Wakefield.
        As for peer-reviewed clinical evidence – the world’s leading immunologist, Dr. Ronald Schultz, states that bordetella is not a vaccinatable disease. As for peer-reviewed publications, we hope you realize that the research presented in journals is heavily biased by the companies yielding the most power. Bias, self-interest and vested interests have corrupted science and medicine.

    28. Allison

      I volunteer with dog rescue and I can’t even begin to tell you the number of dogs (some died) that went into toxic shock within an hour of getting this vaccine. It makes no sense to over vaccinate. Humans do not vaccinate themselves every year for life. Why do it to animals? Mine get the 3 year rabies as required by law and that is it. They are very very healthy and happy. Of all the animals that come into rescue on a daily basis the ones with records of annual vaccinations are the ones we almost always have health issues with that need to be addressed prior to adoption. That cannot be a coincidence. There are many holistic, amazing vet offices that also subscribe to the philosophy of not over-vaccinating a pet. And with working in rescue I’ve seen it all.

    29. Sarah

      I’m a groomer with a small shop. I do NOT require proof of Bordatella from my clients & have not had a case of it coming up to my knowledge in over 10 years. I just do not take dogs in for grooming who are visibly ill or showing signs of kennel cough or similar communicable diseases. Common sense.
      My 2 dogs are fed a holistic diet, are exercised regularly including dog park trips & come with me to work daily, & we only do rabies vac every 3 years as required by law & titer’s on everything else yearly after their initial puppy shots. Neither of them have ever received a Bordatella vaccine of any kind & have never had kennel cough. I also foster regularly & recently had a female husky staying with me for almost 2 weeks. She most definitely had kennel cough & neither 1 of my dogs came down with it despite being with her 24/7 for that 2 week period. That’s enough evidence for me to feel I’m doing right by my dogs, although I really didn’t need anymore evidence than what I was already aware of. It baffles me how many of my clients are still vaccinating their dogs yearly per their vet’s advice. I have that conversation regularly & usually approach it from a finanacial stand point to get them to take heed.

    30. Jackie, thank you for the information. I’m still researching the arguments for and against yearly vaccinations. Are you saying you’re in support of yearly’s? My only hesitation now is because all of my dogs (I have 7 in the house…4 of mine and 3 fosters) became sick from ONE dog having KC. Four of them have been getting yearly’s for about 3-5 years, so I didn’t think they would succomb so easily. But what I think you’re saying is that because there are several strains, you simply can’t vaccinate against ALL of them, but that at least Bordatella is covered? Forgive my ignorance. I’ve been rescuing for a couple of decades now, but the issue concerning vaccinating has only recently come into question. Antibiotics I rarely question. I don’t want to be the one trying to heal pnuemonia with sage leaves and garlic only to create a worse situation, especially with a foster. =/ Thanks again for this discussion. It’s proven to be very informative!

    31. Jackie T.

      Beverly, there are so many different strains of infections going around in the dog world, per our vet in rescue. Bordatella is just one of many. Although one of our rescues came with bordatella and if is not a pretty thing to go through. Many weeks later, the rescue pup is now well. It is a touchy subject as is yearly shots, monthly preventatives, etc. I do understand the vet(for boarding purposes) giving the vaccine, it maynot help a pup that already has the infection, but will help the other pups from catching it, since it is an airborn infection. I do believe antibiotics are quite necessary in some cases. If not for antibiotics, our rescue pup would have died.

    32. While I advocate a healthy debate, I’m puzzled by the rudeness and immaturity in this thread. The topic of wellness has been overshadowed by a few parties’ need to sarcastically and passive-aggressively prove themselves intelligent and “right”. Take it down a notch, people. You can disagree with this article without dubbing it a personal attack. Further, Dogs Naturally, if you’re going to publicly post a controversial article, you should expect opposition. To create a better argument and reception for your point, you may want to practice a bit of restraint in the face of your frustration. Clearly, you’re passionate about the subject, which is wonderful! But phrases like “unless you live under a rock” are just flat out sarcastic and sophomoric. You have an impressive grasp of the English language; I have no doubt you can muster a more “journalistic” and graceful rapport with your readers. That said, and with regard to the topic at hand….my dogs have been vaccinated for years. Yet, I brought 1 foster into my home with Kennel Cough and the whole pack fell sick. I now have to wonder about the effectiveness of these vaccinations and whether they’re worth it, from a “what I put my dogs through” view. I enjoyed your article very much and will surely be further reading the studies posted. Thank you for the information and happy holidays!

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        Beverly, thanks for you comments. I do agree and my frustration level is out there for all to see as sometimes we react on emotions instead of with a level head.
        Having said that, Dr. Ronald Schultz can be quoted as saying ‘Bordetella is not a vaccinatable disease’. I should be able to pull that reference if need be.
        BUT, we must all make our decisions carefully because we have to live with the consequences either way. All we ask is that people (and vets in particular) make educated and well researched decisions.

        • kay

          would you please post that reference on your facebook page ? I would love to cross post and have people print it and take it to their vets. Thanks!

    33. Jackie Trautwein

      Arleen, Have you gotten a Heartworm test on your pup? Doesn’t hurt to rule this out.

    34. Jackie Trautwein

      I am not an expert in this field, but do have an opinion. I have read many expert articles, which state that Rabies and distemper shots last longer than stated. Not needed for approximately 5-7 years as appose to yearly. Bordetella, is not necessary if your not bringing your dog to boarding. But for many years, vets were giving the bordetella upon the pets intake at boarding, which to me is completely a waste, at that time. Like it was stated ubove, it the dog was already infected, the bordetella will not help. I personally do not board my pets, I hire someone to come in and watch them, I will not ever get bordetella. I also foster other dogs(1 at a time), and if they are infected with anything, I am on hand with antibiotics, which are given immediately. I will not put unnecessary chemicals into my animals. Also with reference to cats, If your cat is indoors, why are you getting the vaccinated? I have had cats all my life and years ago, vaccines were not necessary, but each county, here in Fla., anyway have made it law that cats and dog must be vaccinated and licensed with the county, or you get a hefty fine. To me that is a money maker. Some people choose not to rebies, distember vac. their dogs, I personally get my dogs vac. when they are due, but do not get the bordetella, and my dogs are indoor dogs. If they are indoor dogs, they surely would not need the vaccines at all, but there is always that chance, with even the most careful person, that the dog gets loose, and chases another animal(wild), gets bit and then it’s all over, my friend. So your damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Just my little opinion.

      • Dana

        I’m not rah-rah-vaccines-no-matter-what, but there is always the risk that one of my cats will dart outside and encounter a wild animal. We have had one raccoon in the backyard that we know of (that we’ve seen) and we live in a city but there’s still a fair amount of wildlife. It only takes one bite. We also go to visit a cat shelter periodically to pet the kitties (poor things, they’re touch-starved) and there is always the risk we’ll carry virus home or something. Even with all that, if my vet got excited about a new vaccine and tried to push it on me, I’d be the annoying person looking it up on my phone and making them roll their eyes at me. You know?

    35. Arleen Denchy

      Our 9 year old Westie has had for the past year a raspy cough which on occasion results in her spitting out a clear phlegm. We have had the discharge cultured and she was treated with antibiotics. Still has the cough. When excited she sneezes and passes the same clear substance. Recently underwent cat scan of head, endoscopy, biopsy of right side nostril and ultrasound of stomach area. All negative. Treated again with antibiotics. Still has cough. She is alert and feisty and has a excellent appetite. She also was given bordetella spray in nostrils in the past. This has been going on for over a year. Is there a test to see if this bordetella shot has caused her condtion.

      Hopefully we will get a reply. Thank you for your time.

      Arleen Denchy

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        This is a good example of how antibiotics only suppress symptoms. I would work with a good classical homeopath with this. A remedy such as Kali bichromicum might help. Kali bich. is generally prescribed to cure problems related to the mucus membranes, particularly those in the throat, nose, stomach, vagina and urethra. It is used to treat health conditions associated with extreme mucus, colds that develop into sinus blockages accompanied by pressure as well as nasal fullness and ear glue (accumulation of fluid in the middle ear). Finding the right remedy will help the body to heal itself, as opposed to using antibiotics which suppress the symptoms and drive them deeper.

      • c

        or…the dog just has allergies. have you tried benedryl? a low dose works perfectly for our dog…

        • Dogs Naturally Magazine

          There is nothing simple and safe about allergies or Benadryl. Suppressive solutions like this will only work in the short term and cause even more problems down the road.

    36. Sandy

      my mom was going to board her dog Max so her vet suggested he should have a kennel cough shot. 5 days after the shot Max clasped and had to be rushed to a vet hospital and have 2 blood transfusions, he died 3 days later. The shot killed my mom’s dog. he was 9 years old and in perfect health. So sad. we need to get the word out – this shot can kill your dog. What this shot did to Max was it attacked his imunne system it started eating up his red blood cells. I talked to a lawyer and he said congress protects the drug manufactures from putting out warnings for animals….that is why no warnings about the possible side effects. If my mom would have been told it may kill your dog she would have never let them give him that shot. DO NOT TAKE THE RISK – DO NOT GIVE YOUR DOG THIS SHOT.

    37. jessi

      I’m reading up on what vacs to give and not give my dog as well, I don’t understand the angry response given to the doc. I’m frustrated myself because everytime I look up different issues, like not giving heartworm med, etc, the prrof is lacking and everyone has an attitude about it if other people ask. I decided to skip all the heartworm stuff but funnialy enough I could barely find studies for either side. I went to my wholistic dog shoppe and he insisted a bag od enzymes he was trying to sell me would get rif of my dog’s tearstains, went I went to research the stuff on my phone he snatched the bag back and rolled his eyes at me. If it were me I would have been happy to point me in the right direction or even give me an explanation of why enzymes help, but instead he did the opposite, it’s so frustrating actually to find the truth.

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        We understand your frustration. We are also frustrated because the evidence of the harm that vaccines do is out there – in abundance. It is harder for pet owners to find it, but veterinary professionals should be aware of this information. We are frustrated because vets have known for over thirty years that once vaccinated with a core vaccine, most dogs are protected for life…yet vets continue to vaccinate every one to three years. Why? Either out of ignorance or to protect their pocketbooks. Neither is acceptable in our opinion. You might want to listen in on the Patricia Jordan webinar on Tuesday September 20th to appreciate what happens behind the scenes with vaccines.

    38. Anne

      Dr. O’Connor,

      I, too, am not Dr. Jordan but feel I must reply to your reply to the message you thought was from Dr. Jordan.


      Assumption of ignorance? I think not. It’s clear that indeed you have not thoroughly done your research, and as a Dr. that is your first responsibility, to stay abreast of all information relating to the health of those trusted to your care. There is no excuse for not knowing this information. There are literally thousands or maybe even hundreds of thousands of pet owners that already know this, both from experience and from research. Unfortunately, quite often the research follows on the heels of experience, and those are tragic experiences most of the time, and wholly preventable.

      I would follow the previous post’s advice and contact Dr. Jordan directly but I would also thoroughly study all of the resources listed by the post directly after your initial posting. That’s only a start, as was noted. There are mountains, literally, of facts, statistics, experiences, research, to back this up, not to mention the numerous veterinarians that have witnessed this in their own practices. Thank heavens that there have been some very brave souls who dared to challenge the status quo and actually provide the type of care they were licensed to provide.

    39. Dr. O'Connor

      Dr. Jordan,

      I am abhored by the your rudeness of response and your assumption of my ignorance of education, research, and experience. Most medical professions are well aware of the links between medications (vaccines included) and some types of pathology (consider feline sarcomas). However, that was not my question. My question was specific for the bordetella vaccine. I hope you are not as rash with your medical decisions and extrapolations as you were with quipping that aggrandized response to an innocent inquiry. Thanks for being so professional when a colleague poses a simple question for discussion.

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        Dr. O’Connor, this reply was not posted by Dr. Jordan. If you would like research specific to Bordetella, I suggest you contact Dr. Jordan by email or purchase her book Mark Of The Beast. Part of your question was ‘In general, all vaccination creates immune dysregulation and is responsible for a vast array of pathology.”? That doesn’t appear to be specific to Bordetella to me and your message that Dr. Jordan’s article is not research based is loud and clear in your post. Please contact her and you will get everything you are looking for. Dr. Jordan presented further details on this at the Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy conference this summer.

    40. S.Presdee

      After investigating these vaccines I put a notice up to the effect that they would NOT be required at our boarding kennels , with our kennel vets full support.He said a cough tends to be in overcrowded , dark , wet (where they hose down and leave it wet)wood or concrete kennels, not spray down “Designer Kennels” like we had.We had 2 dogs in that were coughing on arrival so put them over in Isolation and it never spread to the rest.

    41. Dr. Karen O'Connor

      Dr. Jordan,

      Interesting comments. We are at a point in our profession where evidence-based medicine is the gold-standard. Can you site any SPECIFIC RESEARCH STUDIES to back up your claims of “ineffectiveness” and the bordetella vaccine’s role in promoting “cancer, chronic inflammation and loss of tolerance. In general, all vaccination creates immune dysregulation and is responsible for a vast array of pathology.”?

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        It is very discouraging as a dog owner and advocate that a veterinary doctor is not aware of any of the research showing a high correlation between vaccination and pathology, most notably autoimmune disorders. Unless you are living under a rock, you should be aware of this as most pet owners are. It saddens me to think that you are injecting countless dogs with a potentially dangerous substance and have not educated yourself on both the risks and benefits. It is not the responsibility of blogs to educate you, Dr. O’Connor – I would expect somebody in your position to do so herself. It is no wonder that Dr. Ronald Schultz states that most veterinarians are not qualified to discuss immunization beyond a basic level. If you insist on having others do your job for you, then here are some places you might want to begin your research. This is not even close to a complete list – there are thousands of studies that link vaccines to pathology. You need only open your eyes to see them.

        Delong G. A Positive Association found between Autism Prevalence and Childhood Vaccination uptake across the U.S. Population. J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2011 Jan;74(14):903-16. PMID: 21623535

        Ida-Eto M, Oyabu A, Ohkawara T, Tashiro Y, Narita N, Narita M. Embryonic exposure to thimerosal, an organomercury compound, causes abnormal early development of serotonergic neurons. Neurosci Lett. 2011 Jun 6. PMID: 21669256

        Wilcock, B.P. & Yager, J.A. (1986) Focal cutaneous vasculitis and alopecia at sites of rabies vaccination in dogs. J Am Vet Med Assoc, 188, 1174-7.

        Vitale, C.B., Gross, T.L., & Magro C.M. (1999) Vaccine-induced ischemic dermatopathy in the dog. Vet Dermatol, 18, 131-42.

        Genotoxic effects of aluminum, iron and manganese in human cells and experimental systems: A review of the literature. Lima P, Vaconcellos M, Montenegro R, Bahia M, Antunes L, Costa E, Burbano R. Hum Exp Toxicol. 2011 Jan 19.

        Aluminum-induced micronuclei and apoptosis in human peripheral-blood lymphocytes treated during different phases of the cell cycle. Banasik A, Lankoff A, Piskulak A, Adamowska K, Lisowska H, Wojcik A. Environ Toxicol. 2005 Aug;20(4):402-6.

        Genotoxicity of thimerosal in cultured human lymphocytes with and without metabolic activation sister chromatid exchange analysis proliferation index and mitotic index. Eke D, Celik A. Toxicol In Vitro. 2008 Jun;22(4):927-34.

        Thimerosal induces micronuclei in the cytochalasin B block micronucleus test with human lymphocytes. Westphal GA, Asgari S, Schulz TG, Bünger J, Müller M, Hallier E. Arch Toxicol. 2003 Jan;77(1):50-5.

        • Kim

          Wow, I hope you realize that the Autism/Vaccine connection has been WIDELY discredited numerous times. And if Dr. Jordan really is a veterinarian, I assume she’s seen puppies suffering from things like Parvo and Distemper (both potentially fatal and preventable by vaccination) and the suffering inherent in contracting either of those diseases. I’m really worried that the scare tactics you’re using in this article are going to negatively affect the lives of innocent animals who could be spared suffering and death from easily preventable diseases because you spouted off ideas that weren’t supportable with credible evidence.

      • Sandy Braun

        Thank you Karen. I am an owner of a boarding kennel and grooming business in Idaho. There are a number of things I disagree with in this article. And I am offended that the blame is being put the kennels themselves. We are not vets, and we can only go by the advise of the vets themselves.
        And I agree, when they can produce SPECIFIC RESEARCH STUDIES to back up their claims of “ineffectiveness” , I will continue to go by the advise I am given by the professional.
        FYI, Dogs Naturally, I DO NOT require the vaccine because of a stupid conspiracy theory, I do it for the sake of the animal. And if you have ever seen a dog with the disease you would as well. And it is HIGHLY contagious, it is only required in facilities because of the closed environment. By the way have you ever taken your dog to a dog park or taken them for a walk on the street?
        Bam you’ve been exposed because of people like you telling people they don’t need to have their animals vaccinated.
        Sandy Braun
        Braun’s Bed’s and Biscuits
        Lava Hot Springs Idaho

        • Dogs Naturally
          Dogs Naturally

          Thank your for your reply Sandy.
          I am a breeder, so my dogs are exposed to all sorts of disease. Despite travelling to crowded showgrounds and hotels, I haven’t had kennel cough in my dogs in over ten years – and that episode was minor as one dog coughed a couple of times overnight. This is because my dogs do not have to endure needless and useless vaccines, chemicals and toxins.
          It is important to remember that vaccines to not immunize, they sensitize. This means that they stimulate the immune system (in theory) with the virus in question so that the body will form immunity to the virus vaccinated for. The issue is that vaccines create a boat load of inflammatory and chronic disease, they create humeral bias in the immune system, and the chemical soup of preservatives and adjuvants that go along with the virus present a large immune challenge to vaccinated dogs. This is why my experience is such that my own dogs simply shrug bordetella off whereas dogs who are vaccinated, wormed and drugged on a constant basis have not only suppressed immune systems, but improperly functioning ones because of the humeral bias created by vaccines.
          The crux of the problem is that vets are not educating themselves on vaccine issues (and most veterinary immunologists state this loud and clear, over and over again), and if you rely on vets to make vaccine decisions for you then it can be a foolish thing to do. Noted immunologist Dr. Ronald Schultz does not recommend the bordetella vaccine and that is good enough for me. I’m curious why it’s not good enough for vets or people like yourselves who are putting pets in peril because of lack of understanding of immunology and vaccinology. The research is out there and vets are lagging behind in the information. You are in a position to help animals, not contribute to their downward spiral into chronic disease.

        • Deb Sanford

          Dear Sandy,

          I have seen my dog go thru kennel cough, AFTER getting the vaccine. And when I took him back to the Vets, I was then told that it only covers 2 of the 40 or so strains. He now every once in a while still gets that cough and I wait to see if I have to take him back for more antibiotics, which are not good for his immune system either. So boarding kennels requiring the vaccine really does nothing, except cover their butts for liability if a dog gets sick.

          Yes kennel cough is highly contagious, but the vaccine is ineffective, for at least 80% of the strains out there, so for a 20% chance that my dog may get it, I’d rather do without the vaccine and take my chances. Kennel cough IS easily curable. It should be up to the owner not the boarding kennel if their dog gets the vaccine.

          So while you may resent the fact that Dog’s Naturally is putting the blame on you as a kennel owner, I resent the fact that you and other boarding kennels think that they know what is best for MY dog.

          Please do some research and rethink your policies. Maybe you really don’t do it to cover your butt, but let pet owners make their own decisions when it comes to what is put into their pets. IF this vaccine does cause cancer and other problems would you really want that on your conscience?

          • Cynthia Eliason

            First, my liability is covered by the release you sign when your dog checks in to my kennel. I am not making decisions about your pet’s health, I am making decisions about what’s best for my boarding business and for all of the pets entrusted to me. I am quite happy to let you make your own decisions when it comes to what’s put into your pets, as you let me make decisions about which pets I am willing to accept for boarding. I also don’t allow pets with fleas into the kennel – they are taken directly to the tub for a flea bath before being allowed into the boarding area. If you don’t want that done, you are free to take your dog to a place that has different rules about fleas. And contrary to what another person wrote, dish soap does not kill fleas. If it did, there would be no market for the many available flea-killing products available.

            • Dana

              If you are telling a pet owner to vaccinate their pet, then yes, you are making decisions about that pet’s health. Unless you think vaccines don’t affect health at all, in which case I would question why you require any in the first place. Your implied assertion is that vaccines impact health in only positive ways. That’s still an effect.

            • Deb Sanford

              But you are Cynthia, like Dana says if you require that vaccine and flea bath, you are telling people who want to use your kennels what to put in their pets body. And I do agree they can go some place else. I do also think that eventually as the trend toward less is better on the vaccinations that you may eventually end up with empty kennels. More and more people are looking at alternatives, and kennels that are not going to require certain vaccinations and flea treatments will begin to pop up. It might be a good idea for you to do some research and keep up with the changing trends so you can keep your business running.

              There are homeopathic medications for fleas, I’ve been using them for years and never had a flea in my house. As for dish soap and fleas, it does work, I’ve used it, however its not a once a month thing, it needs to be done on a weekly basis and most people to be honest are lazy and don’t want to put in the effort, they would rather put on a once a month thing and be done with it. And then there is your Vet, who you look to to know what is best for your pet, is pushing you to use front line or one of the other chemical based flea products you tend to go with that. I used to until my dog got cancer and I wanted to know why.

            • Laura Kobus

              Hi Deb,

              I am very interested in which homeopathic medication for fleas that you use. I want to find something natural that works and many people are telling me that because of the hot, humid summer we have been having, the natural sprays made of essential oils aren’t working. I also purchased the tag that you put on their collar that emits some kind of frequency designed to repel fleas, ticks, bugs, etc. but haven’t tried it yet. Your comments would be helpful.

    42. Thank-you for a very informitive article … I never take my pets to a boarding place … as I have found friends who don’t mind coming in to watch over them when we are away. I always keep my dogs with each-other … not with the neighborhood walkers … and their dogs, as they are inviting un-wanted sicknesses … afterall, we don’t know when they took their dogs to a vet last, or for that matter if they are sick. Mine have their own yard and go to the vet on a yearly basis for their check-ups etc. This way they are healthy and very happy … Makes me happy too just think of PREVENTION it just seems logical.

      • Ann

        So very true and I do the same! We love our animals and try hard to keep them away from other animals we are unsure about. This goes for our cats and horses too.

      • Katherine

        There are boarding kennels, and then there are boarding kennels. Some don’t have much illness and some do. It has to do with how much stress reduction policies they have in place, their cleaning routines, and depending on the state — what they require in terms of immunizations. The state of IL requires that dogs be up to date on Rabies, and have received the Distemper vaccine, generally as a combination shot. Anything else is the veterinarian or the kennel owner putting their own interpretation or rules over the state law.

        • kay

          Katherine you are wrong. The only vaccine by law required by the state of Illinois is rabies. I had this argument with a Dept. of Ag. rep who thought distemper was required – but she could not find this in the law when I asked her to show me – because it’s not there.


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