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The Purdue Vaccination Studies and Auto-antibodies

A team at Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine conducted several studies (1,2) to determine if vaccines can cause changes in the immune system of dogs that might lead to life-threatening immune-mediated diseases. They obviously conducted this research because concern already existed. It was sponsored by the Haywood Foundation which itself was looking for evidence that such changes in the human immune system might also be vaccine induced. It found the evidence.

The vaccinated, but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies developed autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and collagen.

This means that the vaccinated dogs — ”but not the non-vaccinated dogs”– were attacking their own fibronectin, which is involved in tissue repair, cell multiplication and growth, and differentiation between tissues and organs in a living organism.

The vaccinated Purdue dogs also developed autoantibodies to laminin, which is involved in many cellular activities including the adhesion, spreading, differentiation, proliferation and movement of cells. Vaccines thus appear to be capable of removing the natural intelligence of cells.

Autoantibodies to cardiolipin are frequently found in patients with the serious disease systemic lupus erythematosus and also in individuals with other autoimmune diseases. The presence of elevated anti-cardiolipin antibodies is significantly associated with clots within the heart or blood vessels, in poor blood clotting, haemorrhage, bleeding into the skin, foetal loss and neurological conditions.

The Purdue studies also found that vaccinated dogs were developing autoantibodies to their own collagen. About one quarter of all the protein in the body is collagen. Collagen provides structure to our bodies, protecting and supporting the softer tissues and connecting them with the skeleton. It is no wonder that Canine Health Concern’s 1997 study of 4,000 dogs showed a high number of dogs developing mobility problems shortly after they were vaccinated (noted in my 1997 book, What Vets Don’t Tell You About Vaccines).

Perhaps most worryingly, the Purdue studies found that the vaccinated dogs had developed autoantibodies to their own DNA. Did the alarm bells sound? Did the scientific community call a halt to the vaccination program? No. Instead, they stuck their fingers in the air, saying more research is needed to ascertain whether vaccines can cause genetic damage. Meanwhile, the study dogs were found good homes, but no long-term follow-up has been conducted. At around the same time, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) Vaccine-Associated Feline Sarcoma Task Force initiated several studies to find out why 160,000 cats each year in the USA develop terminal cancer at their vaccine injection sites.(3) The fact that cats can get vaccine-induced cancer has been acknowledged by veterinary bodies around the world, and even the British Government acknowledged it through its Working Group charged with the task of looking into canine and feline vaccines(4) following pressure from Canine Health Concern. What do you imagine was the advice of the AVMA Task Force, veterinary bodies and governments? “Carry on vaccinating until we find out why vaccines are killing cats, and which cats are most likely to die.”

In America, in an attempt to mitigate the problem, they’re vaccinating cats in the tail or leg so they can amputate when cancer appears. Great advice if it’s not your cat amongst the hundreds of thousands on the “oops” list.

But other species are okay – right? Wrong. In August 2003, the Journal of Veterinary Medicine carried an Italian study which showed that dogs also develop vaccine-induced cancers at their injection sites.(5) We already know that vaccine-site cancer is a possible sequel to human vaccines, too, since the Salk polio vaccine was said to carry a monkey retrovirus (from cultivating the vaccine on monkey organs) that produces inheritable cancer. The monkey retrovirus SV40 keeps turning up in human cancer sites.

It is also widely acknowledged that vaccines can cause a fast-acting, usually fatal, disease called autoimmune haemolytic anaemia (AIHA). Without treatment, and frequently with treatment, individuals can die in agony within a matter of days. Merck, itself a multinational vaccine manufacturer, states in The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy that autoimmune haemolytic anaemia may be caused by modified live-virus vaccines, as do Tizard’s Veterinary Immunology (4th edition) and the Journal of Veterinary Internal Medicine.(6) The British Government’s Working Group, despite being staffed by vaccine-industry consultants who say they are independent, also acknowledged this fact. However, no one warns the pet owners before their animals are subjected to an unnecessary booster, and very few owners are told why after their pets die of AIHA.

A Wide Range of Vaccine-induced Diseases

We also found some worrying correlations between vaccine events and the onset of arthritis in our 1997 survey. Our concerns were compounded by research in the human field.

The New England Journal of Medicine, for example, reported that it is possible to isolate the rubella virus from affected joints in children vaccinated against rubella. It also told of the isolation of viruses from the peripheral blood of women with prolonged arthritis following vaccination.(7)

Then, in 2000, CHC’s findings were confirmed by research which showed that polyarthritis and other diseases like amyloidosis, which affects organs in dogs, were linked to the combined vaccine given to dogs.(8) There is a huge body of research, despite the paucity of funding from the vaccine industry, to confirm that vaccines can cause a wide range of brain and central nervous system damage. Merck itself states in its Manual that vaccines (i.e., its own products) can cause encephalitis: brain inflammation/damage. In some cases, encephalitis involves lesions in the brain and throughout the central nervous system. Merck states that “examples are the encephalitides following measles, chickenpox, rubella, smallpox vaccination, vaccinia, and many other less well defined viral infections”.

When the dog owners who took part in the CHC survey reported that their dogs developed short attention spans, 73.1% of the dogs did so within three months of a vaccine event. The same percentage of dogs was diagnosed with epilepsy within three months of a shot (but usually within days). We also found that 72.5% of dogs that were considered by their owners to be nervous and of a worrying disposition, first exhibited these traits within the three-month post-vaccination period.

I would like to add for the sake of Oliver, my friend who suffered from paralysed rear legs and death shortly after a vaccine shot, that “paresis” is listed in Merck’s Manual as a symptom of encephalitis. This is defined as muscular weakness of a neural (brain) origin which involves partial or incomplete paralysis, resulting from lesions at any level of the descending pathway from the brain. Hind limb paralysis is one of the potential consequences. Encephalitis, incidentally, is a disease that can manifest across the scale from mild to severe and can also cause sudden death.

Organ failure must also be suspected when it occurs shortly after a vaccine event. Dr Larry Glickman, who spearheaded the Purdue research into post-vaccination biochemical changes in dogs, wrote in a letter to Cavalier Spaniel breeder Bet Hargreaves:

“Our ongoing studies of dogs show that following routine vaccination, there is a significant rise in the level of antibodies dogs produce against their own tissues. Some of these antibodies have been shown to target the thyroid gland, connective tissue such as that found in the valves of the heart, red blood cells, DNA, etc. I do believe that the heart conditions in Cavalier King Charles Spaniels could be the end result of repeated immunisations by vaccines containing tissue culture contaminants that cause a progressive immune response directed at connective tissue in the heart valves. The clinical manifestations would be more pronounced in dogs that have a genetic predisposition [although] the findings should be generally applicable to all dogs regardless of their breed.”

I must mention here that Dr Glickman believes that vaccines are a necessary evil, but that safer vaccines need to be developed.

Vaccines Stimulate an Inflammatory Response

The word “allergy” is synonymous with “sensitivity” and “inflammation”. It should, by rights, also be synonymous with the word “vaccination”. This is what vaccines do: they sensitise (render allergic)an individual in the process of forcing them to develop antibodies to fight a disease threat. In other words, as is acknowledged and accepted, as part of the vaccine process the body will respond with inflammation. This may be apparently temporary or it may be longstanding.

Holistic doctors and veterinarians have known this for at least 100 years. They talk about a wide range of inflammatory or “-itis” diseases which arise shortly after a vaccine event. Vaccines, in fact, plunge many individuals into an allergic state. Again, this is a disorder that ranges from mild all the way through to the suddenly fatal. Anaphylactic shock is the culmination: it’s where an individual has a massive allergic reaction to a vaccine and will die within minutes if adrenaline or its equivalent is not administered.

There are some individuals who are genetically not well placed to withstand the vaccine challenge. These are the people (and animals are “people”, too) who have inherited faulty B and T cell function. B and T cells are components within the immune system which identify foreign invaders and destroy them, and hold the invader in memory so that they cannot cause future harm. However, where inflammatory responses are concerned, the immune system overreacts and causes unwanted effects such as allergies and other inflammatory conditions.

Merck warns in its Manual that patients with, or from families with, B and/or T cell immunodeficiencies should not receive live-virus vaccines due to the risk of severe or fatal infection. Elsewhere, it lists features of B and T cell immunodeficiencies as food allergies, inhalant allergies, eczema, dermatitis, neurological deterioration and heart disease. To translate, people with these conditions can die if they receive live-virus vaccines. Their immune systems are simply not competent enough to guarantee a healthy reaction to the viral assault from modified live-virus vaccines.

Modified live-virus (MLV) vaccines replicate in the patient until an immune response is provoked. If a defence isn’t stimulated, then the vaccine continues to replicate until it gives the patient the very disease it was intending to prevent.

Alternatively, a deranged immune response will lead to inflammatory conditions such as arthritis, pancreatitis, colitis, encephalitis and any number of autoimmune diseases such as cancer and leukaemia, where the body attacks its own cells.

A new theory, stumbled upon by Open University student Gary Smith, explains what holistic practitioners have been saying for a very long time. Here is what a few of the holistic vets have said in relation to their patients:

Dr Jean Dodds: “Many veterinarians trace the present problems with allergic and immunologic diseases to the introduction of MLV vaccines…” (9)

Christina Chambreau, DVM: “Routine vaccinations are probably the worst thing that we do for our animals. They cause all types of illnesses, but not directly to where we would relate them definitely to be caused by the vaccine.” (10)

Martin Goldstein, DVM: “I think that vaccines…are leading killers of dogs and cats in America today.”

Dr Charles E. Loops, DVM: “Homoeopathic veterinarians and other holistic practitioners have maintained for some time that vaccinations do more harm than they provide benefits.” (12)

Mike Kohn, DVM: “In response to this [vaccine] violation, there have been increased autoimmune diseases (allergies being one component), epilepsy, neoplasia [tumours], as well as behavioural problems in small animals.” (13)

A Theory on Inflammation

Gary Smith explains what observant healthcare practitioners have been saying for a very long time, but perhaps they’ve not understood why their observations led them to say it. His theory, incidentally, is causing a huge stir within the inner scientific sanctum. Some believe that his theory could lead to a cure for many diseases including cancer. For me, it explains why the vaccine process is inherently questionable.

Gary was learning about inflammation as part of his studies when he struck upon a theory so extraordinary that it could have implications for the treatment of almost every inflammatory disease — including Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, rheumatoid arthritis and even HIV and AIDS.

Gary’s theory questions the received wisdom that when a person gets ill, the inflammation that occurs around the infected area helps it to heal. He claims that, in reality, inflammation prevents the body from recognising a foreign substance and therefore serves as a hiding place for invaders. The inflammation occurs when at-risk cells produce receptors called All (known as angiotensin II type I receptors). He says that while At1 has a balancing receptor, At2, which is supposed to switch off the inflammation, in most diseases this does not happen.

“Cancer has been described as the wound that never heals,” he says. “All successful cancers are surrounded by inflammation. Commonly this is thought to be the body’s reaction to try to fight the cancer, but this is not the case.

“The inflammation is not the body trying to fight the infection. It is actually the virus or bacteria deliberately causing inflammation in order to hide from the immune system [author's emphasis].” (14)

If Gary is right, then the inflammatory process so commonly stimulated by vaccines is not, as hitherto assumed, a necessarily acceptable sign. Instead, it could be a sign that the viral or bacterial component, or the adjuvant (which, containing foreign protein, is seen as an invader by the immune system), in the vaccine is winning by stealth.

If Gary is correct in believing that the inflammatory response is not protective but a sign that invasion is taking place under cover of darkness, vaccines are certainly not the friends we thought they were. They are undercover assassins working on behalf of the enemy, and vets and medical doctors are unwittingly acting as collaborators. Worse, we animal guardians and parents are actually paying doctors and vets to unwittingly betray our loved ones.

Potentially, vaccines are the stealth bomb of the medical world. They are used to catapult invaders inside the castle walls where they can wreak havoc, with none of us any the wiser. So rather than experiencing frank viral diseases such as the ‘flu, measles, mumps and rubella (and, in the case of dogs, parvovirus and distemper), we are allowing the viruses to win anyway – but with cancer, leukaemia and other inflammatory or autoimmune (self-attacking) diseases taking their place.

The Final Insult

All 27 veterinary schools in North America have changed their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats along the following lines; (15) however, vets in practice are reluctant to listen to these changed protocols and official veterinary bodies in the UK and other countries are ignoring the following facts.

Dogs’ and cats’ immune systems mature fully at six months. If modified live-virus vaccine is giver after six months of age, it produces immunity, which is good for the life of the pet. If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralise the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The litre is no “boosted”, nor are more memory cells induced.

Not only are annual boosters unnecessary, but they subject the pet to potential risks such as allergic reactions and immune-mediated haemolytic anaemia.

In plain language, veterinary schools in America, plus the American Veterinary Medical Association, have looked at studies to show how long vaccines last and they have concluded and announced that annual vaccination is unnecessary.(16-19)

Further, they have acknowledged that vaccines are not without harm. Dr Ron Schultz, head of pathobiology at Wisconsin University and a leading light in this field, has been saying this politely to his veterinary colleagues since the 1980s. I’ve been saying it for the past 12 years. But change is so long in coming and, in the meantime, hundreds of thousands of animals are dying every year – unnecessarily.

The good news is that thousands of animal lovers (but not enough) have heard what we’ve been saying. Canine Health Concern members around the world use real food as Nature’s supreme disease preventative, eschewing processed pet food, and minimise the vaccine risk. Some of us, myself included, have chosen not to vaccinate our pets at all. Our reward is healthy and long-lived dogs.

It has taken but one paragraph to tell you the good and simple news. The gratitude I feel each day, when I embrace my healthy dogs, stretches from the centre of the Earth to the Universe and beyond.

Endnotes
1. “Effects of Vaccination on the Endocrine and Immune Systems of Dogs, Phase II”, Purdue University, November 1,1999, at http://www.homestead.com/vonhapsburg/haywardstudyonvaccines.html.
2. See www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/gdhstudy.htm.
3. See http://www.avma.org/vafstf/default.asp.
4. Veterinary Products Committee (VPC) Working Group on Feline and Canine Vaccination, DEFRA, May 2001.
5. JVM Series A 50(6):286-291, August 2003.
6. Duval, D. and Giger,U. (1996). “Vaccine-Associated Immune-Mediated Hemolytic Anemia in the Dog”, Journal of Veterinary Internal Medicine 10:290-295.
7. New England Journal of Medicine, vol.313,1985.
See also Clin Exp Rheumatol 20(6):767-71, Nov-Dec 2002.
8. Am Coll Vet Intern Med 14:381,2000.
9. Dodds, Jean W.,DVM, “Immune System and Disease Resistance”, at http://www.critterchat.net/immune.htm.
10. Wolf Clan magazine, April/May 1995.
11. Goldstein, Martin, The Nature of Animal Healing, Borzoi/Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., 1999.
12. Wolf Clan magazine, op. cit.
13. ibid.
14. Journal of Inflammation 1:3,2004, at http://www.journal-inflammation.com content/1/1/3.
15. Klingborg, D.J., Hustead, D.R. and Curry-Galvin, E. et al., “AVMA Council on Biologic and Therapeutic Agents’ report on cat and dog vaccines”, Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association 221(10):1401-1407, November 15,2002, http://www.avma.org/policies/vaccination.htm.
16. ibid.
17. Schultz, R.D., “Current and future canine and feline vaccination programs”, Vet Med 93:233-254,1998.
18. Schultz, R.D., Ford, R.B., Olsen, J. and Scott, P., “Titer testing and vaccination: a new look at traditional practices”, Vet Med 97:1-13, 2002 (insert).
19. Twark, L. and Dodds, W.J., “Clinical application of serum parvovirus and distemper virus antibody titers for determining revaccination strategies in healthy dogs”, J Am Vet Med Assoc 217:1021-1024,2000.

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  • 113 Responses to The Purdue Vaccination Studies and Auto-antibodies

    1. Lucky

      About the same story here. When I moved away for college, I took my cat and dog with me. I had grown up in a family were we vaccinated our pets very little because we did not have a lot of money to spend on vet care. When I moved away, I decided to be a “good pet parent” and catch my cat up on all her vaccines. Well, less than a year later she had incurable cancer and passed away. She was so healthy before but I noticed within a few weeks after the shots how lethargic she became; she never really bounced back. My poor girl; I had wished I had known that was not the way to be a good pet parent and better yet, I wish vets would consider sharing this info with pet owners. I also got my dog all caught up too; he got all sorts of what I now know are completely unnecessary vaccinations. One of the shots was a kennel cough shot that he didn’t need. He ended up with kennel cough for 4 weeks. Never again. I found a new vet, and now we test for titers.

    2. T

      My pride and joy Ivy passed away 4 months ago due to Autoimmune Induced Hemolitic Anemia. I found this article by accident – I was reading up on carrageenan in dog food here at Dogs Naturally and saw on the side bar, the title of this article. When Ivy died (and it was indeed extremely fast, without warning and had taken a YEAR after her shot to develop, not recent!) she was rushed to a 24-hour vet because she turned yellow, couldnt stand and then urinated a pool or fresh blood. Imagine the horror. Three blood transfusions, two plasmas and 3 days in the vet only to have her suffer through grand mal seizures, strokes and lose complete consciousness. It was confirmed that the rabies shot caused her body to attack her own red blood cells. I lost my best friend and companion needlessly, horribly over this one shot which I had thought was doing the right thing for her. I am disgusted with the business of money making over the ethics and common compassion for animals – and the same goes for humans as well. Please research and make an educated and informed decision before you do anything to and for your pet. Do not take your vet’s word for it, do not trust advertisements (flea/tick/heartworm preventatives, food) and make sure you are 100% comfortable and do not have any doubts before you make your decision. I doubted mine, and did the shot anyway. Now I have a huge monthly bill to pay for my precious girl, whom I no longer have because of it.

    3. June

      I wish I had read about the side effects of annual booster before sending my westie for his annual jab when he was 1 year 3 months old.

      He was a healthy, active boy before the annual booster. After the jab, his skin started to turn red.. then eventually it became slimy with wetness and turned black. He was itchy and miserable.

      I was appalled and read up then I discovered about “vaccinosis”.

      To date, at near to 8 years old, he is still plagued with skin problem. Which, most vets would not admit is due to the annual booster and said that it’s a common westie problem. !!!

    4. All this information on dogs and cats, and not enough on horses. If vaccinations are doing this to our pets, what is it doing to our children???
      If anyone has links on information regarding horses, please post them!

      • Kat

        The issue is OVER vaccination, which is quite different from NOT vaccinating… which is stupid.

        Not vaccinating your children puts them at high risk of lethal disease and also, if everyone refused to vaccinate, devastating diseases like polio would return en masse. Also, in countries where tetanus shots are not routine, that disease is quite prevalent (ask a doctor who has practiced in India what that disease is really like)

        One of the reasons people were willing to study the over-vaccination issue in dogs was because the protocols for dogs were annual but humans get some vaccines only once or minimal and that is fine. So the question arose, what makes human immunology so special that it gets long term immunity from single or minimal exposure, while animals need annual vaccinations? That is a bit of an oversimplification but you can see that not vaccinating (nobody with a brain recommends that) is quite different from annual vaccinations (people with a brain are proving that is a bad idea)

        There is a lot of stupid information on the internet about vaccinations and children. Don’t fall for it

        • Dogs Naturally Magazine

          Hi Kat
          Did you know that every case of polio in the last few decades has been vaccine induced? In fact, the polio vaccine they are using in third world countries right now is mutating and actually causing infection in vaccinated individuals. You may choose not to agree with us but please respect the researchers who are questioning the fact that there is no real evidence that vaccines have had much effect on disease both here in the US and in other countries. Aside from some epidemiological studies which are not terribly useful in determining a cause and effect relationship, nobody has determined what the long term ramifications are from routine vaccination, whether it is one vaccine or multiple vaccines.

          • cellochik

            Oh my goodness,, where are you getting your information from? I suggest you check out a reliable source like the world health organization for the real truth about polio and the vaccines used globally. No,, most of the cases of polio in the world are caused by the wild viruses and not the modified ones contained in vaccines. Vaccine virus strains don ‘t mutate; if they do, they are destroyed and not used for obvious reasons. Yes it is true that in SOME instances, people who are immunosuppressed for various reasons can get a mild case of polio from a live polio vaccine but it is extremely rare. Read IMMUNOSUPRESSION = inadequate immune response due to genetic, hereditary or acquired conditions. Most people are immune competent. For this reason, many countries have stopped using live vaccines for polio and use inactivated vaccines that are just as effective. Far more people are permanently crippled or die from the wild (and more severe ) viruses. 60 years ago, our parents lined up for hours for that livesaving Salk Polio vaccine for their children- polio epidemics ravaged American families in the early 1950′s. The alternatives to the vaccine were truly devastating. We have not seen polio epidemics like those from the 50′s in many years and we have forgotten and become complacent about vaccines and what a live saving intervention they are in many instances.
            Any wise person must weigh the risks and benefits of any vaccine, treatment or medication (including natural remedies and herbal treatments) and make an informed decision before having the vaccine/ treatment/ therapy for themselves, their children and their animals. I have been intentionally careful with vaccinating my dogs and consider the risks and benefits of every medication or supplement I give them. We need to do our research from credible sources, perform critical analysis of what we are reading and make informed choices.

            • Catherine O'Driscoll

              cellochick – the only people I personally know who got polio got it just after they were vaccinated against it, and their suffering continues. Before you use words like, ‘reliable’ and ‘credible’, you need much more wisdom and knowledge. You need to ask ‘who speaks, and why?’ You need to understand that vaccines are big business, and the pharmaceutical and vaccine industries are not noted for their ethics, or their truth speaking. You need to know that research is frigged, academics and researchers are bribed, and governments endorse and support big business to the detriment of the people and the animals. You need to open your eyes and see the truth. Back in the early 90s, when I was telling people that we don’t need to vaccinate our dogs every year, people like you called me a liar. Now I am proven to be right … and no-one has yet apologised. (smile)

            • Jodie

              Cellochik
              http://www.virology.ws/2013/01/08/who-will-switch-to-inactivated-poliovaccine/

              “The World Health Organization’s campaign to eradicate poliomyelitis made impressive inroads in 2012: only 212 cases were reported, compared with 620 the previous year; moreover, India remained polio-free. The dark side of this story is that as wild polio is eliminated, vaccine-associated poliomyelitis moves in to take its place.”

        • Jodie

          Kat just wondering if you know how many vaccines small children and babies are exposed to within a very short time, and the fact that often in one visit a child can receive vaccinations for more than 5 diseases all at once. Perhaps this could be considered OVER vaccination, and given that many vaccines appear to be wearing “off” much earlier than expected, how long will it be before its recommended that we have yearly shots too! My cat is turning 17 this year and is very healthy, she only ever had her inital vaccinations as a kitten, and hasn’t had any since, the only time she has been to the vet is for a urine infection caused by stress and when she got run over by a car last year. She sleeps inside of a night, but is free to come and go during the day and has contact with many nighbourhood cats, she doesn’t have fleas or ticks either and I very rarely ever use any of those toxic flea/tick treatments on her either – only when I’ve felt guilty for not being a “responsible” pet owner.

          By the way the people in those countries that are effected by Tetnus probably don’t have very good hygiene or sanitation. How about good food and clean water? A good diet and hygiene practices can go a long way in terms of health, as doctors discovered when they started to wash their hands before delivering babies etc many years ago.

    5. lynn

      i wish i had read this before 3-9-12 as my little chihuhua had her yearly shots as always each year… i thought i was being a good pet parent. now she is not a pup she was 7 1/2 years old but had a very bad reaction then a few days latter … took her back as she looked very pale gums.. had a blood transfusion because her yearly shots triggered IMHA.. NOW SHE CAN NEVER EVER HAVE ANY SHOTS AND will never be the same from very serios drugs have to be given like azathioprine cause cancer latter on from the use and many other drugs to safe her from this awful disease.good for dr.dodds and dr.shultz for their research and all dr.jean dodds does for the help of pets with imha.life will never be the same i just hold my fur child each day at a time and feel blessed for each day now as each day could bring more bad news … no! life will never be the same.

      • Deb

        Lynn, I am so sorry you are having to face this awful disease. My MinPin was diagnosed with AIHA 3 weeks after getting his vaccinations which included a 3 year rabies booster. Our nightmare began December 15,2011 but luckily our Vet is one of the good ones. Today Zeus is off all meds & doing fine. I worry all the time if its going to come back.

        I hope your baby is one of the lucky ones

    6. this is why i have been insistant on over vaccinating dog my puppies only get whats nessesary, set of 3 vacc as a puppy and then 1 more at a year. other than that rabies every 3 yrs only because its required by law.
      ive wondered if vaccs are also the cause of canine addisons disease, no vet seems to know why dogs or people get this disease, they say it genetic, yet one puppy out of 30 in the same bloodline can have it and the others are fine…..ummmmm
      I had one puppy show up with addisons …..this puppy was also way over vaccinated as a puppy due to the ignorance of the new owners vet. this dog now also has cancer ……yet there has been many other puppies with the same breeding and they are all very healthy. could this be possible?

    7. starr kelley

      I am still dumbfounded reading about all the negative things that these vaccinations are doing to our dogs. My family recently lost our beloved 5 yr. old little cocker spaniel Genny to IMHA. Since her death, we have done much research about vaccinations. I am totally convinced she died as a result of her boosters of Leptospirosis and Lyme. Why don’t our trusted vets explain the certain risks we take when vaccinating??? I would never want another person to go through what we did with our little pup, it was just so horrible. We have a healthy male, 7 yrs old and are getting another puppy. Now I have to make sure she is not subject to the pharmaceutical and vet Dr. greed out there..Us as pet owners need to be better informed!!!

      • Karen Stevens

        I know how you feel, I lost my 9 year old female Westie to AIHA on October 26, 2012
        I am just SICK about losing her and I was cautious with only 3 year booster shots.
        I expected her to live to the ripe old age of 15-16 and I lost her so quickly to Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I am so hesitant of any vaccinations now!

    8. Barb delve that

      I just wanted to comment, I had a four year-0ld shitzu that I just had to put down because of AIHA. Ironically, her first vaccine of Lepto caused an allergic reaction in her at the age of 12 weeks. She required IV fluids. The following year they premedicated her first and gave it to her again, at which time she had an immediate reaction again requiring IV fluids. Is it possible this is what eventually caused her AIHA? She also received the bordatella (?sp), which none of my previous dogs ever received and the last lived to almost 15.
      I know in the future I will choose the vaccines my dogs will receive not the vet.
      Barb Delventhal

    9. Starting to wonder

      Two Dead Great Danes in nine years First was 2.5 Auto-immune problems
      2nd Dane died last week, started at age 2 with thyroid. She was severly anemic, 6.5 years of illnesses.

      BYB’s and vaccinations?????? IMHO = DEATH

    10. Eileen Corkern

      As a still grieving parent of the most perfect tuxedo kitty whose life was cut short due to VAS (vaccination associated sarcoma), I am disgusted at pharmaceutical companies indifference to these horrible diseases. My angel Amelia was diagnosed with VAS in 2006 and even after $30,ooo was spent on every available treatment, she still lost her battle in 2009. Statistics say only 2 to 3 cats in 10,000 are diagnosed with this cancer every year….I can say with 100% certainty that this number is GROSSLY inaccurate. I belong to a VAS support group on Yahoo and we get at least two new members weekly whose kitty was just diagnosed with VAS. Some of the pharmaceutical companies do offer miniscule reimbursements for treatment….usually in the range of $200 – $300…….just enough to cover the initial biopsy. PFIZER IS THE WORST PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY when it comes to accepting accountability for their products.

    11. I haven’t vaccinated my dogs in over four years and have been feeding raw for the same length of time.

      But what about dogs (and cats) in rescue? Parvo and distemper are rampant and kill dogs left and right. After reading this it seems like you’re advocating only one vaccine after 6 months of age. But what about at-risk puppies younger than 6 months? Feed them raw and hope for the best? They need to be socialized (lackthereof is the greatest murderer of dogs in this country) which can be dangerous without some level of protection from the likes of Parvo, and depending on their history, they may have pretty depleted immune systems as it is (though I also understand that’s another reason to not vaccinate, because they’re already unhealthy).

      I’m in the works of opening a rescue and this is a very important piece of information for me. I’m planning to have a raw fed, minimal vax rescue, and I’m trying to get as much info on questions like these as possible.

      Thanks!

      Ettel

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        Dr. Ronald Schultz states a minimum vaccine program should be a single vaccination for DAP at 12 weeks of age, then to run a titer three weeks afterward. If the titer detects circulating antibody, the puppy has seroconverted and is protected for life. Waiting until 12 weeks means that it is very likely that the vaccine will not be blocked by maternal antibodies, making the odds of having to vaccinate only once quite high. As for socialization, it does not have to be dog parks (where puppies learn to become hooligans anyway). Controlled greetings of dogs while out on walks in the neighborhood are enough to teach your puppy dog communication skills and allow you to socialize your puppy without having to take him to high traffic dog areas.
        As a rescue, titers can be expensive, but there is the new Canine Vaccicheck which does all the core vaccines in-house for a very reasonable amount – about $60.

        • What is Canine Vaccicheck? Where can I find it? I have been very careful about giving shots for the last 10 years, and I have just now been refused to go to training classes because I haven’t given my dog their yearly shots. They are up on Rabies, and I refuse to give them a shot to go to training class. I also have several dogs and I can’t afford to titer all of them. So, I would very much like to know more about a reasonable priced way to prove they are protected. Thanks

          • Dogs Naturally
            Dogs Naturally

            This is manufactured by Biogal and Dr. Ronald Schultz was involved in the process and endorses the product. I’m sure a quick Google search will pull up the information you and your vet will need.

    12. Carol

      So it is true then that we should not vaccinate our pets even every 3 years as was told me to me by a breeder, and avoid rabies shots completely?
      Thanks for the info and helping me keep my fur babies safe.

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        We can’t comment on rabies because it is required by law. No other vaccines are. Dr. Ronald Schultz performed a seven year challenge study which showed core vaccines (including parvo and distemper), are good for the life of the dog. This research was done thirty years ago and it is baffling that more people aren’t aware of this. If you truly want to keep your dogs safe, then absolutely refrain from further vaccinations. Memory for viral immunity exists for the life of the animal…or at least seven years (the duration of the study).

    13. Killed rabies vaccines are still out there a plenty. These vaccines have adjuvant that is on record as causing cancer. Everything that has cancer was vaccinated at some point. The killed rabies vaccines have also been found to transfer rabies to the animals vaccinated, dogs and cats and humans for that matter. Not all of them but it is really a roulette wheel as to who will express rabies from the vaccines. In 2008 a JAVMA study pegged the concurent use of steroids or chemotherapy to animals when vaccinated, but that is in itself an example of how doctors are violating the FDA requirements that only healthy animals be vaccinated in the first place. There are plenty of problems with the killed vaccines, autoimmune problems, seizures, behavioral problems, many cases of dog aggression and even vaccinated animals killing another house mate……so we had better know what exactly is happening with injecting rabies. In 2004 and 2008 there were hundreds of thousands of human rabies vaccines recalled for “failure to inactivate the virus”. Also, the largest recall of all times came for Fort Dodge rabies vaccines where animals got rabies from the vaccines.
      Many inflamatory neurological diseases are confered with the rabies vaccines. Even the rabies strain from the vaccine has been known to cause the rabies infection. So, best to know that vaccines are NOT innoculous.
      The rabies virus can make cancer in 48 hours, I have seen rabies vaccines develope hemangiosarcoma in dogs within 11 days, other tumors within 48 hours. The real problem here is that we didn’t know the immune system or the whole body system when vaccines started being used and don’t know much more now. I mean seriously when you spend 200 years vaccinating and still can’t see the results of vaccinosis in vaccinated populations, or the vaccine damage that confers to the next generation following autoimmune disease that is genetic disease in the next……how can anyone even say the vaccines are “safe”. I have not ever seen a study that was able to establish the efficacy of the vaccination to the lowering of an infectious disease either…….we have to be careful of all the “medical assumptions” being made about vaccines. The one disease I have been shown was controlled by vaccination is Rinderpest. However, studies were not done to see what was gained in immune dysregulation or vaccinosis for the injection. With the genetically engineered rabies chimeras we have a whole new plague to contend with and more is coming forth from that every day. Now we have species jumping rabies that is spreading via aerosolization. having a rabies vaccine will not protect you from that form. More rabies vaccines are more infecting and more immune dysregulating so not good either.
      The aluminum in the vaccines we know is responsible for cancer, for allergies, asthma, atopy, anaphylaxis, ezchema. The chronic inflamation from an unhealthy humoral TH2 biased immune system that the vaccines ruined. Autoimmune diseases, lupoid onchodystrophy of the nails (for which the dog has its digits amputated to make the diagnosis) are all tracing back to vaccinosis, vaccine induced disease.
      The bottom line is these vaccines are not safe, they are not proven safe as there are no gene impact studies done on them. Truth be known a very, very very long list of impaired health from death to disability and plenty of disease in between comes from rabies vaccines. People have to be treated for vaccinosis from rabies vaccines in India all the time. It is obvious that the answer is not as simple as spreading the virus around with a needle vectoring the spread. But if the information was available since the 1957 in teh Johnson study that showed only one vaccine was necessary to infect the individual and allow neutralizing antibody to be developed in a mature mammal……why is it now that the frenzy to revaccinate over and over and over the same population of animals is somewho constured with “rabies prevention”?

      • Mike

        Well said Dr. Jordan !! I’m with you all the way, there are no safe drugs only safe doctors and thank you for being one !

      • Janet

        Thanks for saying that so well. It is something I will print out and use as ammunition for when my vet insists that my 14 year old toy dog must have a rabies shot before he can have his teeth cleaned. It has kept me from addressing his teeth (I know that is not good) but I feel that he will be harmed whether I give in or whether I don’t give in and just don’t get his teeth cleaned! I’ve tried every product there is (some incredibly expensive) hoping something would clean his teeth but nothing has worked. If anyone has any suggestions that have worked besides LEBA II & PETZLIFE, feel free to email me at twist42638@mypacks.net (those are the two most recent ones I’ve tried but there have been many others!)

    14. Heather

      I only had a chance to briefly scan this article, but were the only vaccines investigated the MLV. Is there a difference with the killed vaccines?

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        I don’t know how many killed rabies vaccines are left – I think most canine rabies vaccines are now recombinant vaccines but I’m really not certain.

    15. Colleen

      For many years I have had this “discussion” with our veterianarian, requesting vaccines be done only every 3rd year as required by law with no Leptosporosis. I have witnessed dogs of our breeding “drop off the needle” and require immediate treatment for severe vaccine reaction. Yet why won’t they listen when I suggest it not be given? Similarly, you speak of cancer in cats. Yet here again I have witnessed several times where localized reactions turned into lumps, when removed were mass cell tumors. There must be a safer alternative!!!!

    16. Christine

      My puppy was “accidentally” given the K-9 influenza immunization while at the vet, without asking me. This was when she was 4 months old. Within 12 hours she started throwing up and had diareah for 4 days. Since then, she has had diareah every few weeks along with high bacteria and yeast counts. She is turning 1 this month, and I curse the vet’s office that did this to a healthy puppy. Her immune system hasn’t been right ever since.

    17. susan

      Thank you for this article. I have been trying very hard to get the message across to my fellow veterinarians and pet owners, with much resistance. My own child suffered encephalitis due to her MMR vaccine and is permanently brain injured. This is what opened my eyes to the tragedy of what is going on. I left typical practice because of all I have learned. I cannot justify taking hard working pet owner’s money to do something for their pets that 1. is not necessary, and 2. could hurt their pets. I hope the news continues to spread.
      Thanks,
      Dr Susan

      • Janet

        Any chance you practice in Central Florida. I love your attitude!

    18. Via the Rabies Challenge Facebook Page:

      The quotes below are from the cited scientific report in the JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (JAVMA) covering adverse events within 3 days of vaccination in 1,226,159 dogs over the course of 2 years in 360 hospitals. Reports of dogs having vaccinal adverse reactions within the same time frame were not included if heartworm medication had been administered along with the vaccines. This study did not include adverse reactions such as development of fibrosarcomas and/or other conditions which take longer than 3 days to develop.

      Moore, George E. et als., ADVERSE EVENTS DIAGNOSED WITHIN THREE DAYS OF VACCINE ADMINISTRATION IN DOGS, Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, Vol 227, No. 7, October 1, 2005

      Animals—1,226,159 dogs vaccinated at 360 veterinary hospitals.

      Results—4,678 adverse events (38.2/10,000 dogs vaccinated) were associated with administration of 3,439,576 doses of vaccine to 1,226,159 dogs. The VAAE rate decreased significantly as body weight increased. Risk was 27% to 38% greater for neutered versus sexually intact dogs and 35% to 64% greater for dogs approximately 1 to 3 years old versus 2 to 9 months old. The risk of a VAAE significantly increased as the number of vaccine doses administered per office visit increased; each additional vaccine significantly increased risk of an adverse event by 27% in dogs ≤ 10 kg (22 lb) and 12% in dogs > 10 kg.

      Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—Young adult small-breed neutered dogs that received multiple vaccines per office visit were at greatest risk of a VAAE within 72 hours after vaccination.

      Records for dogs that received both an injectable heartworm preventive and a vaccine during the same office visit were not included in analyses.

      Population—In the 2-year study period, 4,531,837 vaccine doses were administered to 1,537,534 dogs at 360 veterinary hospitals.

      Among breeds with 5,000 or more dogs vaccinated, Dachshund, Pug, Boston Terrier, Miniature Pinscher, and Chihuahua breeds had the highest rates of VAAEs with 121.7, 93.0, 83.8, 76.4, and 76.1 adverse events/10,000 dogs vaccinated, respectively (Table 1). The VAAE rate for mixed-breed dogs was in the bottom quintile of all rates.

      The VAAE rates decreased significantly as body weight increased (P for trend < 0.001; Figure 1). For all vaccines or for rabies vaccine alone, the VAAE rate for 10.1- to 45.0-kg (22.2- to 99.0-lb) dogs was approximately half the rate for dogs that weighed 0 to 10.0 kg (0 to 22.0 lb; P 45 kg were 32.1 (222/69,178), 15.3 (69/45,088), and 0.0 (0/1,966), respectively.

      The risk of a VAAE significantly increased as the number of vaccines administered per office visit increased (P for trend < 0.001).

      In all dogs, each additional vaccine administered per office visit increased the rate of a VAAE by 24.2%; the rate increase was significantly (P <0.001) greater in dogs that weighed 0 to 10.0 kg, compared with dogs that weighed 0.1 to 45.0 kg (27.3% vs 11.5%, respectively; Figure 4). The 3 dogs with recorded deaths each had received ≥ 4 vaccines at their last office visit.

      The lowest rate was observed with parenteral administration of Bordetella vaccine (15.4/10,000; 82 VAAEs/53,238 doses), and the highest rate was observed with Borrelia (Lyme disease) vaccine (43.7/10,000; 132 VAAEs/30,201 doses).

      The risk of a VAAE in this study population was inversely related to a dog’s weight.

      Factors known to cause vaccine reactions include the primary vaccine agent or antigen, adjuvants, preservatives, stabilizers, and residues from tissue cultures used in vaccine production.

      The overall formulation of various vaccine components (eg, antigen, adjuvants, and diluent) is proprietary information that was unavailable for analysis in our study; thus, the variation in VAAE rates among single-antigen vaccines
      may not be solely attributable to the primary vaccine antigen.

      … because of genetic heterogeneity, the relatively low VAAE rate observed in mixed-breed dogs suggests that laboratory safety trials that use such dogs may underestimate the VAAE rates that would occur in purebred dogs. This is important because purebred dogs comprise at least two thirds of the US dog population.

      The risk of allergic reaction has been reported16 to increase after the third or fourth injection of a vaccine (ie, a booster response).

      Neutering appeared to increase risk of a VAAE more than sex. Females mount stronger immune responses after vaccination or infection than males because of a dimorphic enhancing effect of estrogens and a protective effect of androgens.

      • Please note that this study looked only at adverse events within three days. Canine Health Concern’s study of illnesses developing in dogs within three months of vaccination was more revealing. The study involved nearly 4,000 dogs, and we found that if dogs were ill, 66% of these illnesses first started within three months of a shot. If vaccines had no bearing, you would expect to see 25% of illnesses starting in each three month quarter.

        In the dogs in our study, 69.2% with allergies first developed them within that three month post-vaccination timeframe.

        64.9% of dogs with behavioural problems started within those three months.

        81% of dogs with Chorea became ill within three months of their shots.

        78.6% of dogs with enchephalitis within 3 months.

        Epilepsy/fits/convulsions – 73.1% within three months of their shots.

        Kidney damage – 53.7%

        Liver damage/failure – 61.5%

        Nervous, worrying disposition – 54.8%

        Paralysis of rear end – 69.2%

        Tumour or growth at vaccine site – 81.1%

        Interestingly (or tragically), dogs with viral diseases also came down within three months of their shots:

        Hepatitis – 75%
        Parvo – 69%
        Parainfluenza – 55.7%
        Lepto – 100%

        The full study is carried in my book What Vets Don’t Tell You About Vaccines, which you can get from http://www.dogwise.com. (Yes, I’d like you to read the book!)

        • Thank you Catherine – sometimes the math clears the path for many of us.

          Best,

          Gloria J. Cestero-Hurd
          The Healthy Dog Project
          Cooperstown, NY

    19. Eve

      Where are the statistics? I hear so much on and on about the dangers of vaccines yet no one provides statistics. Of course vaccines are dangerous and can have serious side effects but is the probability of that greater than the probability of contracting the disease it is protecting against? If the vaccines are so dangerous these statistics should be very easy to obtain. Anecdotes may be scary but it is not science.

      • Pugpillow

        Here’s one study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association that I happen to have on hand: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=119106981159&topic=10205

      • I share your concern about this, but probably from the opposite viewpoint. The problem is that there are very few long-term studies to see what happens to vaccinated people and animals; the vaccine manufacturers certainly don’t bother themselves with this. In veterinary medicine, vaccine and drug reactions are reported only voluntarily; there is no compunction. A vet doesn’t have to report it. Therefore, as in human medicine, adverse reactions are vastly under-reported.

        We called for the British licensing authority to institute a computer system to collect data at veterinary surgeries, so that we could see if there were patterns of reactions post-vaccination (or post any drug). The veterinary pharmaceutical industry representatives at this meeting blocked the implementation of such a system. One has to wonder why.

    20. Pugpillow

      I’m not suggesting no rabies shots. I’m saying let’s do them only when they are needed as supported by Duration of Immunity studies.

    21. Jill

      Great – but have you ever seen an animal with Rabies? I have……it is ALWAYS lethal.

      • Greetings Jill -

        You are correct. That’s why we are required to vaccinate. But, more isn’t better. Research is proving that a Rabies vaccine is potent enough to last for years, just like our Polio or Small Pox vaccine.

        And that is good news – less reactions, less illness, and ample coverage. This is good science – and . . . . it’s documented.

        Best,
        Gloria J. Cestero-Hurd
        The Healthy Dog Project

    22. Pugpillow

      Wonderful article, Catherine, and worth rereading regularly. As a dog guardian and volunteer vet liaison for a breed rescue organization, I have been fighting the over-vaccination battle with vets on behalf of our foster dogs for several years. I have come to the conclusion that the existing AAHA protocol needs to be, if not enforced, at least highly recommended by the clinicians’ governing bodies. I have taken my battle to the College of Veterinarians in my jurisdiction with no success. They continue to equivocate. If the governing body won’t fully support the recommended protocol, what motivation is there for one of their vets to do so? I am beyond frustrated at our pets’ suffering and, in too many cases, dying.

    23. Find a veterinary homeopath from Dr. Richard Pitcairn’s resource list and see about titering with Hemopet and then getting a vaccine waiver letter. If you have the titer showing your dog has at some point been vaccinated and that his condition does not meet the FDA requirements for administering a vaccine to a “healthy animal” and the supporting documentation should suffice. Everyone who owns animals needs to ENGAGE and get these BAD RABIES LAWS off the books. This is “colorable law” and needs to be changed. Personally, I will not have another animal’s DNA mutated to service medical ignorance.
      Clearly to me, the FDA did know that it circumvents public health to administer vaccines to humans or animals that are already suffering immune dysregulation.That is why animals and humans not in good health do not meet the prerequisites for vaccinating in the first place.
      In the Dog Fancy Nov 2007 Dr Jean Dodds of Hemopet is on record along with Dr. Ron Schultz that there will only be one or two rabies vaccines needed IN A LIFETIME to confer immunity against rabies.
      Dr. Ron Schultz then goes into the large number of adverse events associated with the rabies vaccines and why administering them over and over to the same populations is only bringing to the surface disease not prevention of such. For those forced into vaccination by laws, make sure you demand a signed statement for assuming full liability from those demanding rabies vaccination. Also, find the proper precautions that can be taken to offset vaccinosis from the homeopath and how to address events from vaccines. Dr. Dennis Macy, a Board Certified Oncologist is backing the Veterinary Vaccine Injury Compensation Act for those forced to take rabies vaccines. Everyone should help get this act passed. The only vaccine mandated is rabies so that is the only vaccine that has to be dealt with.
      Sincerely,
      Dr. Jordan

    24. I am also in NY and will be getting medical waivers for both my dogs.
      Here’s the link for further info:
      http://www.agmkt.state.ny.us/AI/vetpage/Rabies%20Exempt%20Form.pdf.

      Check either the New York State Ag Market or the Rabies Challenge Fund for further info. Whatever you do consider the consequences. No one really cares about the health or well being of your dog – and no one knows the health implications, but you.

      Best of luck -

    25. Kim Hilliker

      What is a pet owner to do in a rabies-vaccine required state (I’m in NY). I cannot obtain a dog license without proof of current rabies vaccination. My town also sent notices with dog license renewals this year they were “cracking down” on unlicensed, unvaccinated dogs.

      • Mike

        Hi Kim, I am in NY also and went threw the same exact situation you are going through.Email me privately and i’ll tell you what I did. Thanks
        giaandniko@adelphia.net

    26. KUDOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For Catherine O’Driscoll and to Dana Scott and everyone else that is engaged in the right to determine the truth about vaccines and for freedom of cholice in health care delivery.
      I have spent the past quarter of a century documenting the vaccine induced diseases from vaccinations and rabies in particular has the longest standing disease associated with the vaccines. If you are to spend due diligence looking into this topic and have thousands of bankable data mining research hours you could not support the vaccines. I have read over several studies done on many of the rabies vaccines starting in the 1950′s to current that show the dirty truth about vaccine induced immunpathology. The most vaccinated countries have the very highest levels of autoimmune disease and this is not at all hard to understand when you see how many ways the vaccines lead to autoimmune disease.Many researchers have provided the details on how this occurs.
      Our Board Certified Oncologist Dr. Dennis Macy is sure to support a Veterinary Vaccine Injury Compensation Act for the very reason that we have a mandated rabies vaccine in this country. In order to stop cancer, you have to stop vaccinating. In order to stop autoimmune disease you have to stop vaccinating. In order to stop allergies, asthma, atopy, anaphylaxis and exchema you must stop vaccinating.
      Rabies vaccines had plenty of detractors since their inception and for very good cause. It seems that the Pasteurian vaccine like the Jennerian vaccine moth provided very good commercial benefits for those that started alinging them.
      We certainly, all of us have not only the right but the DUTY to understand exactly what is the effect of injecting these poisons into our bodies.
      Unfortunately, most of the researchers and doctors and even the scientists involved with rabies vaccine development have not understood the most basic concept, WE ARE NOT GUINEA PIGS! Vaccinations are experimentation under the guise of helath care delivery. What vaccines are doing is keeping the disease in play and worst of all, the vaccines are vectoring disease by injecting viruses, virions, prions and proteans of which there is no control over the gene profile expression of disease that the vaccinate suffers. All those vaccinated are BLIGHTED. All vaccinated are DISEASED. The expression of that disease is individual because it is the GENE IMPACT of the vaccine the determines the expression of the disease.
      Personally, I think we need to see what the veterinarians in the trenches are seeing, the ones that are not deaf and blind to the correlation of disease comes AFTER the blighting from the vaccine, or now, inherited even from the previously vaccinated populations. Listen to the owners of these animals whom have been seriously overserviced with unsafe and unecessary vaccinations and now are suffering EXTORTION for money to treat these vaccine induced diseases.
      Owners and veterinarians have a right to speak up for the animals. People have a right to speak up for themselves and their children. The vaccines are the root of the problem here, not injuried parties passionate to know the truth.
      Sincerley,
      Dr. Jordan

    27. Dogs Naturally
      Dogs Naturally

      Thank you for your feedback on this article. We think it is important that people rehash the results of the Purdue study every now and again, especially as it relates to auto-immune disorders. I can’t speak for Catherine, only state that I support her stance completely.

      With all due respect, I don’t think the issue is as clear cut as you propose. If rabies vaccination programs are so benign, then please explain why in the early 1990’s, experimental vaccination of African village dogs for rabies caused them to drop like flies from a new strain of distemper. The same new strain of CD in the rabies vaccinated domestic dogs was subsequently found in the lions in the Serengeti and Masai Mara and was then found to have caused the death from CD of most of a captive colony of wild dogs in Mkomzai Game Reserve in Tanzania in 2000-2001. Perhaps the interactions between vaccination and complex viruses may not be as simple as you assume. Rabies has likely been on this planet before we walked it and the only way to remove the risk of rabies is to remove every animal that is susceptible to it. Perhaps without the vaccination program we have initiated, rabies would remain a disease that is limited in its spread due to its high mortality rate, not a species-jumping, aerosolized mutation that threatens to spread both mutated rabies and small pox, thanks to genetic engineering and zero studies on the impact to the genome and environment. Genetically engineered viruses and virus-vectored vaccines are extremely unpredictable and there are very real effects on non-targeted populations, both within the same species and not.

      I have seen one cat die from rabies. I have seen hundreds more die from cancer and countless others suffer from debilitating autoimmune disorders. I take exception to the stance that rabies vaccination is in the best interest of dogs without any regard to the very real health risks associated with rabies vaccination. You wrongly state that rabies vaccination is 100% preventable with vaccination: perhaps you are not aware that Kristy O. Murray, DVM, PhD; Kelly C. Holmes, MS; Cathleen A. Hanlon, VMD, PhD, showed in their recent study that 4.9% of vaccinated dogs and 2.6% of vaccinated cats had a history of rabies vaccination between 1997 and 2001. If you are to fully embrace vaccination, you might want to understand that they are no guarantee of immunity – and certainly not of good health.

      The vaccinated, but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies developed autoantibodies to fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, transferring, cardiolipin and collagen. As a scientist, you might need to delineate a cause and effect relationship, but dog owners only understand that it says right on Pfizer’s insert that their rabies vaccine causes autoimmune disease. That’s good enough for us. We know that the M.F.A. Aubert study in France showed a five year efficacy for rabies yet we are still required to give it every year or three years because of nothing but corporate greed and powerful lobbyists. Or worse than that, we give it because the veterinarians in whom we place our beloved dogs’ care say that we should vaccinate yearly and never once provide or even consider informed consent. We dog owners know that despite Dr. Ronald Schultz’s challenge studies showing at least a seven year efficacy for core vaccines over twenty years ago, vaccine manufacturers continue to label these same vaccines as one-year and three-year products and veterinary colleges still advocate vaccinating every three years – at least twice as often as is necessary assumedly so nobody suffers a loss of income. We know that we have been lied to, had the truth withheld from us, manipulated and controlled by organizations who stand to gain from the chronic illness that the vast majority of dogs suffer today. We dog owners see the health of our dogs declining every year since the advent of mass vaccination programs. We might not see the not-so-common rabid dog or cat stalking the street, but we see tumors, terrible allergies, encephaliltis, neurological disorders, susceptibility to infection, autoimmune hemolytic anemia, immune mediated thrombocytopenia, immune-mediated hemolytic anemia, autoimmune thyroiditis, necrotizing vasculitis, joint disease, polyarthritis, and hypertrophic osteodystrophy with increasing and alarming regularity.

      Of all the thousands and thousands of veterinary clinics across the nation, how many provide informed consent before vaccinating? Clearly, somebody has to be an advocate for the dogs and put an end to pharmaceutical companies dumping their waste products on dogs, continuing to use dangerous toxins like Thimerosal in every single animal vaccine, experimenting with splicing viruses together when they don’t understand the ramifications and telling us that it is all somehow for the good of our animals. And too many vets sell those products to us at a 600% or greater mark up and at an interval that is much shorter than necessary and long ago proven to be ineffectual. I don’t think the onus is on us to support research to show how often to vaccinate – I would like to see the research showing that vaccination makes sense at all and as of yet, nobody has come forward with this and nobody is about to do it.

      • Janet

        Thanks for all the great info!

    28. dr j

      fyi…
      heres what the the rabies challenge is.
      biomedical research on rabies vaccine efficacy; which means vaccinating dogs for rabies then waiting then giving them rabies to see if the vaccine works past the time that the vaccine has been licensed for. Mind you dying from rabies is a horrible death; is 100% fatal in dogs, cats and people; and 100% preventable with current vaccines:

      Here is what peta says about this little study… http://www.peta.org/features/rabies-challenge-fund.aspx
      “The dogs will be infected with the live rabies virus toward the end of each study. The dogs who do not receive the vaccine will almost certainly die from rabies, and those who receive the vaccine might also die from rabies. If the virus doesn’t kill the dogs, they will be killed by an experimenter.”

      if you want to change the way we vaccinate against rabies in the US with the incidence of rabies in wildlife on the rise and the privilege that we have lived with a very efficacious rabies vaccine for the last 60 plus years.. you have to be ready to make the sacrifice: biomedical research for extensive science based vaccine efficacy and safety studies which are VERY expensive, result in animal suffering and put animals researchers as risk of contracting a 100% fatal disease or you can do it without the science and stop vaccinating your pets for this disease (which is illegal and in many states and requires immediate confiscation and euthanasia of your pet if your pet is exposed to a rabies vector; bat, coon, skunk etc and then scratches or bites a human) and run the risk of your pet dying from rabies or worse yet giving it to a human family member, neighbor or another pet..

      YOU need to weight the risks and the benefits and really think about your moral responsibility as a pet owner to society and your pet when you choose not to vaccinate your pet for this horrific disease; especially if your decision is based on a web blog from a 8 year old article that has greatly distorted science and obviously been written by non-expert with only one intent that I can clearly see, which is to promote the sale of her book. Shame on you Catherine.

      • Oh dear Dr J. Why is it that the people with the scientific qualifications always seem to drop the science and dive straight in to personal insult when defending vaccines? You make much of the age of the article, and suggest that I’m trying to sell my books, and make an emotionally charged assault on people who wish to bring some sanity into the OVER vaccination issue. You are muddying the science with emotion.

        The fact that the article was written eight years ago doesn’t change the fact that vaccines provoke severe unwanted effects, and that we should vaccinate as infrequently as possible. Have you even seen the WSAVA guidelines: “vaccines are not without harm”? I would suggest that your undoubted passion might be better used in persuading your own profession to adhere to the simple scientific fact that once immune to the core viral diseases, immunity persists for years or life.

        However, I know from personal experience that it takes so very long for the known science to be heard and acted upon. Dr Ron Schultz published work in the 70s to show that we do not need to vaccinate against core diseases every year or, indeed, every three years. The shame is that the veterinary profession has been reluctant to adopt the science that has been known for nearly FOUR DECADES and stop over-vaccinating. This is not simply shameful. It is scandalous.

        It is also shameful, I submit, that it has taken a layperson such as myself to make the science of vaccine damage visible in order to persuade vets and pet owners to stop inflicting damage on the animals with vaccines that are not needed.

        I would far rather the veterinary profession had done the work I have been doing over the past 18 years. It would have been wonderful if I hadn’t needed to write books and articles to stop the carnage of over-vaccination.

        Vaccines are licensed for use in healthy animals only, yet vets persist in vaccinating sick animals. How scientific is that? Immunity to the core viral diseases persists for years or life. How scientific is annual vaccination?

        Vaccines DO cause arthritis, thyroid disease, brain damage, cancer, leukaemia, allergies, skin disease, other immune-mediated disease, and death, and yet it has taken so very long to get the veterinary profession to even think about the over-vaccination issue without resorting to anger and insult.

        It is shameful that thousands of animal lovers have had to watch their beloved friends die, many years before their time, due to a procedure that your profession has kept in force – despite the science.

        So let us stop insulting one-another backwards and forwards and work together for the sake of the animals. It is time to stop over-vaccinating the animals.

        I would add that it is a great pity that the System requires the Rabies Challenge Fund to be conducted. Unfortunately, the veterinary vaccine System is geared towards sales, and not science. Why do you think the industry hasn’t made such research public already? Do you seriously believe they haven’t already done the research? And you talk about expense – for the vaccine industry? Clearly you haven’t examined the industry’s multi-billion profits.

        Why do you think the industry can get away with a sales and marketing campaign in the UK – this very month – which enlists the support of vets to give dogs and cats a full puppy/kitten series if their boosters have ‘lapsed’ by 18 months?

        You speak emotionally about dogs dying of rabies and totally forget that dogs might just not need to be vaccinated against this disease every year or three years. You overlook the fact of brain damage and autoimmunity are closely associated with vaccines that are not needed.

        Science is the open pursuit of truth. Open your eyes.

        • Janet

          Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Catherine! Thank you for defending the subject and yourself so eloquently. ♥
          Shame on Dr J for being so short sighted; hope my pets never become one of Dr. J’s patients!

    29. wonderful article, much needed information. Unfortunately too late for my 6 month old pom puppy. She got her first puppy shot Dec/22/10, I gave her a prescribed Interceptor tablet 3 days later for “puppy worming”, a second pill 14 days later, advised my vet that she was having what I thought could be hypoglycemic spells, no testing done, he gave her her second puppy shot. Within hours of that shot, she began seizuring. Grand mal seizures. With the help of a wonderful liver support group, we are medically managing her condition, but this should never have happened. I have been in contact with Novartis the maker of Interceptor, they will pay for an autopsy if I put the puppy down – not going to happen unless she begins having more bad days than good.
      Roberta

    30. Caveat

      I don’t see a link to the actual journal article. Maybe I’m not seeing it. I always prefer to read the actual paper, rather than someone’s interpretation.

      • Dogs Naturally
        Dogs Naturally

        Final Report to the Hayward Foundation and The Great Dane Health Foundation of a Study Titled
        Vaccinosis in Great Danes
        January 1, 2004

        Submitted by:
        Dr. Larry Glickman, Dr. Harm HogenEsch, Dr. Malathi Raghavan,
        Dr. Charlene Edinboro, Department of Veterinary Pathobiology
        with
        Dr. Catharine Scott-Moncrieff, Department of Veterinary Clinical Sciences

        Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine

        Background: There is great concern among dog owners and veterinarians that some currently used vaccines or vaccine practices (e.g., yearly vaccination) adversely affect the health of dogs. Although few question the effectiveness of current vaccines for preventing common infectious diseases such as parvovirus, distemper, and rabies, the potential adverse effects of these vaccines are just becoming apparent. More and more owners are asking whether some vaccines used today could be responsible for the increasing prevalence of autoimmune diseases such as hypothyroidism, Addison’s (hypoadrenocorticism), and hemolytic anemia, especially when the vaccines are administered annually. The situation has become so troublesome for some dog owners; they have stopped vaccinating their dogs entirely. The risk versus benefits of vaccinating however cannot be fully evaluated without a clearer understanding of the frequency and types of adverse events that result from vaccination. The term vaccinosis describes the abnormal physiologic changes or clinical diseases associated either directly or indirectly, with the administration of a vaccine. Such adverse events may be obvious when they occur soon after vaccination, but are more difficult to identify when their onset is delayed by months or even years following vaccination. Yet, there has been little research conducted on the frequency or severity of vaccine-related adverse reactions in dogs.

        Specific Objective: to compare the health of fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and unvaccinated, Great Dane dogs with respect to their immune status and to identify specific vaccine types associated with a higher concentration of auto-antibodies. Of particular interest was the concentration of antibodies produced against the dogs’ own thyroid gland, since an increased level of thyroid auto-antibodies has been associated with a greater probability of developing thyroid disease. For example, in one study, approximately 20% of anti-thyroglobulin positive dogs without overt signs of hypothyroidism developed thyroid dysfunction within 1-year.

        Specific Hypotheses Tested: Vaccinated compared with unvaccinated Great Dane dogs have:

        1) A significantly higher serum concentration of antibodies directed against their own tissues
        2) A significantly higher serum concentration of TSH and lower concentrations of T3 and T4 hormones
        3) A significantly higher proportion of dogs with a history or clinical signs of an autoimmune disease, particularly hypothyroidism

        Summary: http://www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/great_…mmary_GDHF.pdf

        Full Report: http://www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/great_…port_jan04.pdf

        Html: http://www.scribd.com/doc/12945519/Purdue-University-and-Hayward-Foundation-Study-on-Vaccines

    31. This article was written – oh – about eight years ago, so not surprisingly some of the links don’t apply now. If you would like to see a more recent work, go to http://www.petvaccine.weebly.com. This is a campaign which took place in the UK last year to have the government regulator remove one-year core vaccines from the market. See especially the Part One and Part Two reports. Part One looks at why we should stop over-vaccinating, and Part Two explains how the entire pet ‘healthcare’ system keeps over-vaccination in place.

      With love
      Catherine O’Driscoll

    32. Lela Criswell

      This is, for the most part, an excellent review of the problem of vaccine-mediated disease. However, I would like to point out that the mention of the Salk polio vaccine possibly containing a monkey retrovirus that contributes to injection-site cancers is a red herring. The Salk killed virus vaccine series has not been used since at least 1967 in the U.S., and the 20-year latency period for developing most cancers has long since passed. The polyvalent Sabin attenuated live virus vaccine has been in use since at least that time; it is not given by injection but is administered in a small quantity of liquid to swallow. This is a very appropriate route to use for this particular vaccine since polio viruses are enteroviruses that multiply in the gastrointestinal tract. Even if monkey kidney cell tissue culture is still used to replicate these strains of virus (I don’t know what is used), there would be no monkey-retrovirus-induced sarcomas at the injection site since this vaccine is not given by injection. Perhaps in the future it would be possible to determine whether any mouth or throat cancers might be associated with the attenuated live virus Sabin oral vaccine, but to tease this exposure out and separate it from the major causes of these cancers, i.e., smoking and chewing tobacco, would be difficult, and would require a very long-term cohort study to have enough power to find any possible contribution from the Sabin vaccine.

      • the oral polio vaccine was pulled off the market after polio cases began occuring for the first time in many years. this was a result of ‘secondary contact’. while the infants administered the oral polio vaccince did not contract polio from the vaccine, it was the care givers, changing the babies diapers and not properly washing their hands after, that contracted polio as a result.

    33. Dina deVries

      I am truly interested in subscribing; just printing all of the information and taking it to bed to read. Thank you for all you do to help our pets and keep us owners and pet lovers informed!!! Many Thanks!

    34. sherry

      My dog Now received his puppy shots and first rabies shot. So going with out shots r the best thing for my dog corrected?? If this is what everybody is saying then I will go with out… but if I go to my vet for anything, they always ask when was his last shots or he is due for his shots and then u get this attitude of your BAD and animal curalty. You can’t win exspecialy when it comes to the rabies shot u end up getting fines or go to court and so on.. could someone help me on this sticky situation…

    35. Thank you so much for this valuable info. I would love to see this posted in every veterinary office world wide. My Springer pup Kruz developed what at the time was unknown to us, a serious suto-immune disease as the result of a bad reaction to his parvo vaccine at age 4 months. He now has, Aseptic Suppurative Meningitis. I had no idea this was possible. Obviously he nor my other dogs have never gotten any other vaccines but the damage was already done to Kruz. We’ve nearly lost him 3 times now and he’s on a cocktail of drugs trying to combat this evil disorder. If I’d only known then then. He’s not yet 2 years old and we’ve been through so much. I love him dearly and will do all I can for him. He’s going to specialists in Colorado. I can’t help but feel guilty when I look in his eyes. I plan to pass this article far and wide and my hope is it will save other pet owners the pain my Kruz and I are now dealing with.
      Thank you~ Terri Randall & Kruz

    36. Caroleigh

      Ms. O’Driscoll ~ Thank you for the information on the Purdue study. Do you know of any other, more recent research findings on the relationship between vaccines and auto-immune illnesses? My 3 year-old poodle developed Symmetrical Lupoid Onychodystrophy at around 17-18 months, soon after receiving his “booster” shots at a little over 1 year-old. He has had no vaccines since then and titer testing indicates immunity. I have been suspicious of vaccines as a cause or trigger of his SLO since I learned it is an immune-mediated disease. Remy is a toy poodle (10 lb. adult) and received his first puppy shots at 6 weeks, given by the breeder. Frequent rabies re-vaccination is the law in my state, for all pets, regardless of health conditions. I would love to see more research studying the link between vaccination and immune system dysfunction.

    37. Thank you so much for this great article. I will be printing it off and handing it out to all of my customers. I’ve also linked to it on facebook and twitter as this matter truly needs all the attention it can get. Its amazing how many people have come to me with pets that have allergies that flare randomly (they think it might be seasonal) and as soon as I ask them when their last vaccination was it clicks. The flare is so very often within 3 months of the previous vaccine. With all the evidence currently available it is astounding to me that so few of the practicing vets have changed their vaccine protocols at all. Not even to the every 3rd year or allowing for titre testing.

      Catherine, I will be ordering copies of your books for my store, I have meant to read them for some time (this is not news to me) but it is an issue that is very near to my heart. I have a younger brother with autism which many parents and family members of autistic children feel is strongly linked to vaccinations. There has been such a recent media backlash against the one, single study that has been done because big pharma is scared of what may happen to their bottom line.

      I hope people can see past the “information” that the major news outlets are given to feed people and will take the time to research and learn.

    38. Deb Sanford

      I’m so happy to have such an article to show my Vet when we go next week. She unbeknown to me gave my cat a 1 year booster for rabies instead of the normal 3 year we were getting. She knows how I feel about vaccinating to begin with. I will be printing this out and showing it to her.

    39. Alecia Cole

      Food for thought. I’m printing this out and giving it to my vets for their perusal. they are very state-of-the-art, and I’m sure would be open to at least looking into this.

    40. Jim Simoes

      I have two dogs “due” for their annual shots,I think I will be discussing this new info with him when he asks why I’m refusing them.Thank you.

    41. Greetings from the Healthy Dog Project!

      Congratulations! We so are happy to have these findings available. I think the general public is starting to realize the importance of this study, and the Rabies Challenge.

      However, we are concerned about the disparity between pet owners and their veterinarians. The Healthy Dog Project is trying to bridge this gap by offering free annal seminars with progressive veterinarians that can offer tools to open the much needed dialogue.

      We hope that, with both science and public awareness, a common ground can be established. Then pet owners and their veterinarians can work side by side to stop the over systematic vaccination of pets.

      With common interests,
      Gloria J. Cestero-Hurd
      The Healthy Dog Project
      Cooperstown, NY

    42. Jeanette Vergis

      Ms.O’Driscoll, Thank you for the wonderfully written artical. As a vet tech I have seen some interesting changes in our patients, meaning there seems to be a rise in immune related conditions. Is this a new phenomina??? Fortunately we are not a clinic to over vaccinate, but do vaccinate for things that are problematic in our community. I will be printing this and leaving it for the staff. Keep up the fantastic research and writing.

    43. Janet

      Wonderful article. I imagine there is a special place in hell for people like veterinarians who over vaccinate our dogs = kill them. My first vet killed my beloved heart dog with needless vaccines back in 1999 all the while claiming he did not know why my little one was so sick after his vaccinations…. that vet lost his ability to speak at all due to throat cancer & died of the same within two years of killing my furbaby. I like to think that his KARMA did him in….live by the lie, die by the lie.

      • Dr. X

        Hate doesn’t solve anything. We didn’t get into this profession to harm animals, and when we wake up to the reality of vaccines and other horrors of the pharmaceutical and food industries, we are on your side. I have ALWAYS been on the pet’s side, regardless of my income and regardless of what the client thinks of me. However, this kind of talk just widens the gap in the veterinary-client relationship. Wishing us ill health in retribution for believing what we are taught is just as nonsensical as wishing yourself ill health for believing that it was right to bring your pet to the vet for vaccines to begin with. So is there a special place in hell for owners who bring their pets to be vaccinated? Where do you draw the line? I am one of the vets who will speak out against vaccines, one of the vets that YOU NEED on your side. But obviously I didn’t come out of vet school with this knowledge, and I take offense to talk like this that condemns people for the things they do not know. Learning and growth are a part of the human experience. To paraphrase two well-known quotes: Hating someone for what they believe today is like hating yourself for what you believed 20 years ago. And if what you believed then is the same as what you believe now, then you have wasted 20 years of your life.

        • Greetings Dr. X –

          I am interested in bridging the gap between pet owners and veterinarians through the Healthy Dog Project.

          The Healthy Dog Projects assists dog owners with a free annual seminar with veterinarians such as Martin Goldstein. But I’ve come to the conclusion that veterinarians may also like to have the same opportunity. By creating seminars specifically geared to this end, we may be able to bridge the gap that so many of us are feeling these days. Getting both concerned pet owners and their veterinarians on the same page.

          If you concur, would you kindly email me at: heathydogproject@me.com so that we can further the dialog?

          With common interests,

        • Dr X – Absolutey wonderful post. Thank you so much for this. Hate is not the answer. Christ said: “Forgive them Lord, they know not what they do,” and Plato said that if we knew the effects of our sin, we would not sin. We can only do our best, based upon the information we have available.

          We dog owners are just as much to ‘blame’, if blame is required at all. The world is too complex and commercial a place now for anyone to abdicate responsibility before imposing procedures on those in our care. We all need to become informed.

          Vets are being misled by their education – the teaching colleges rely upon pharmaceutical industry funding. Everywhere you look, we and the veterinary profession are being unduly influenced by multi-nationals which buy their way in.

          • Janet

            Funny the you use the “20 year” time frame in your response…..that is actually the amount of time the vet that killed my dog said he was in practice and that he had NEVER seen a reaction to a vaccination so that it couldn’t be that which had my dog so sick and ultimately killed it! Really?!? in 20 years of practice he’d never seen any other vaccine reactions? Was he practicing with his eyes closed?!

            FYI:I did not have to wish ill health on him, ill health came to him of its own accord (though I knew what condition killed my dog and I suspected it was the vaccinations, I did not have the definite proof until several years later. After all, I only had the one dog and not a 20 year vet practice to draw conclusions from)…. The universe (or your God) took care of it….. and the difference is in the face of suffering, whether human or animal, the more evolved person will take a harder look….. and those who are not will let the suffering continue while they shrug their shoulders and wander off to harm their next patient/victim. As per the usual medical stance, I see that your comments point to making the victim responsible for the injury done to their pets/them as somehow they should have had more information than the doctor… and thus taken better care of their pets/themselves. Pretty unbelievable but as I said, common thinking since you are a doctor.

            The real sorrow here is that there are still many, many vets still giving annual vaccinations. (Do you want to excuse them as well?!) I meet their clients every time I go to the dog park because I always make sure that everyone has heard about this. When I’ve personally asked a vet I am considering using why they are still telling me to vaccinate yearly when all the Vet Universities have endorsed the “new” three year protocol, they mumble something about those diseases they get without the vaccines will kill the dog anyway so they have to vaccinate yearly ~ and you think their intention is a positive one?! Over the years, there have been many articles written and made public long before this one. I’ve brought some of the vets I’ve known several articles to help educate them and they’d make it clear to me they were not particularly interested in considering the information….. so you tell me what do you think their sole intention is? Personally, I’m pretty clear that it has to do with their income stream…. and not the oath they took; “First, do no harm.”

          • Marc

            Jesus, the bible, or any other BS doesn’t solve animals suffering now, so I am not going to just let people hurt my animals and then bless them sweet lord when they pass!! Get off the bible crack and stand up for your rights!!

        • Dr X,

          It is so wonderful to know that there are more and more veterinarians out there that know the truth and speak out on the dangers of vaccines!

          Please understand that the average pet owner who is learning the truth is going to be angry with the veterinary profession or at least with the veterinarians who are just in it for the money and the continued business of the client who complied with the veterinarian that told them to keep bringing Fluffy in for yearly or every three years for a vaccinations. Many are learning that their pets never needed the vaccination in the first place and now is causing the pet to always be at least a little bit sick with one thing or another .

          Kudos to you for sharing the truth and standing for it.

          If you are interested, please visit the American Council of Animal Naturopathy http://www.animalnaturopathy.org – we need more like minded veterinarians like you today!

        • Eve

          Before you call yourself a veterinarian, you’d *better* “KNOW”. If your veterinary school is doing such a poor job of educating you that you can assert that you have not been taught the things that other animal-care professionals are routinely aware of, you’d better have the personal incentive to *research*, and find out on your own – - as many in *inter-related* fields take the time to do, even when it isn’t taught to them as part of a *curriculum*. Better go to your yearly conferences, too, before you justify your lack of knowledge. How is it that animal-care professionals of various designations manage to “know” what veterinarians *don’t* know? Could it be a matter of selective interest?

          I have noticed, over the years, the rather *omnipotent* attitude of many veterinarians; that works counter-productively to developing knowledge one might gather from those clients who have accrued the cumulative understanding to which you refer.

          Your clients aren’t *paying* for your “human experience”; we are paying for assumed *skill*. Make haste to learn that for which you charge, and kill our animals.

          • Greetings Eve -

            Although many here understand your frustration, vet bashing accomplishes little. We need to bridge the gap between veterinarians and pet owners in order to work together to bring about significant change. And please, let’s not forget that our government mandates that vaccines are required. So we have much to do on many different levels.

            The Rabies Challenge helps us all by scientifically documenting the duration of immunity. Our job as pet owners is to empower ourselves through education to make sure we are making appropriate decisions on both vaccinations and diet. The next level is to support the veterinarians that want change.

            As a matter of fact, I would be more interested in knowing what your approach would be to change veterinarians around. What can we do as pet owners to get vets off the defense? How can we open the dialog?

            With common interests,
            Gloria J. Cestero-Hurd
            Founder
            The Healthy Dog Project

            • KJ

              How about vets LISTEN and I mean really LISTEN to pet owners. I admit that I am sour on vets as well. About 5 years ago I adopted my first dog and she has been damaged by vaccines. She had AIHA, hypo-thyroid before the age of 1, severe allergies, seizures…. the list goes on. I took this dog to several vets who constantly misdiagnosed her and they were not LISTENING to what I was saying. One even told me I was being impatient when I kept bring the dog back b/c she was throwing up blood and running high fevers. As it turned out, I was right and it wasn’t anything they said it was, and it was me to who has to scour the internet to determine that her thyroid should be checked. If I can do it, why can’t they take the time to listen to me and not dismiss ALL of the symptoms a independant things.

              Again, this is about 7 vets in total. When one wasn’t listening and my dog was dying, I moved on. My current vet is ok, but she still insists on vaccinating. I just refuse. That sucks for me b/c I can not find a training class that she desparately neeed b/c she is not current on vaccines.

          • Janet

            Eve, Very well said! For some reason that I cannot fathom, doctors of all types today be they for humans or animals think that we should have more knowledge about all these medical subjects than they do. When I leave my job in construction administration, I don’t go to my Dr or Vet and expect them to know how to process a shop drawing yet they expect me to know enough about the condition I am going to them for to be able to advocate IF THEY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING OR NOT!! I am going to them to get such information and I expect them to know it or be willing to find out about it and weigh it in with all the information that as Doctors they are supposed to have already learned & the experiences they’ve already had so that I get an “informed medical opinion!!” THAT IS WHAT I AM PAYING THEM FOR!….

            I can get all kinds of FREE information on the internet or from my friends but it is a sad state of affairs when I get better information from a website like http://www.about.com then I get from say my experienced endocrinologist! (That is how I found out after 10 years of being hypothyroid & on Synthroid without symptom relief that I was part of the 10% population whose bodies could not convert Synthroid properly!) My doctor said there was minimal chance I was one of those people but I insisted he do more than the TSH test and BINGO, there was the proof….he was shocked and sheepishly told me that he guessed it was a good thing I was so adamant about using the tests suggested on that website! YA THINK?!?

            We cannot win with you doctors… if we ask too many questions you make it clear we are pains in your asses but if we don’t ask we might have a dead pet (or dead us) as a result! A few years ago my vet fired me because I had asked her to change the herbal prescription she had prescribed from a visit a few days earlier from a dry formulae to a liquid one…in doing so she ordered enough medication for a horse and my dog was 10# at the herbal vendor. Since I was having to deal with this vendor directly, as I could not get her to come to the phone to speak with me about the problem, I called my own herbalist, explained the situation, had her call & correct the prescription amount since the company would only respond to certified herbalists or licensed doctors and as it was Friday by then, & I wanted it shipped that afternoon as it would be several more days before I would get it (not to mention, my dog was suffering so I wanted to start the product asap.) I then faxed my vet (since I still had not gotten to speak with her on the phone) with what I had done so she would be aware of the error & its correction (don’t know why the herb co refused to contact her but they wouldn’t) Apparently she did not like the way I handled the situation though I was not at all rude to her in my fax (I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES, …. IT IS HOW WE HANDLE RIGHTING THEM THAT MATTERS) as a few days later I got my dog’s huge file with a letter stating she was firing me as a patient!! I not only gave this woman a lot of business and spent a lot of money in her clinic but sent her a tremendous amount of business as well over the 6 years I used her …. do you think she could have maybe picked up the phone to talk to me about it when she learned of her gross error?!?

            As for the Healthy Dog Project’s assertion, here’s something I think will help the relationship between vets and their clients; Have the vets stop blaming the clients/patients for everything and learn to be better doctors by keeping an open mind & accepting that while we understand you are just human beings supposedly doing the best you can , SO ARE WE! Give us the same considerations you so easily give yourselves. Your defensiveness is most likely the result of your being on the wrong side of the equation (whether by choice or by accident) so being willing to have an open mind, consider what your clients are either telling you or asking you and learning from that exchange will go a long way to healing your position. It will certainly result in your client’s’ viewing you as more trustworthy.

            • Greetings Janet -

              Your comments are insightful, and I thank you for them.

              The goal of the Healthy Dog Project is to educate dog owners on new vaccine and diet protocols.

              Apparently there is a need to heal the broken relationship with our veterinarians . I’d like to find a way to do this with the input of people like yourself.

              Anyone who has comments regarding this should feel free to comment at our Facebook page (Healthy Dog Project) or email me privately at healthydogproject@me.com.

              With common interests,
              Gloria J. Cestero-Hurd

            • Janet

              KJ, thank you for validating exactly what I was saying…. I often resent that my vet is clueless and that I have to research every thing and find the answers though I am willing to do it cause of my love for my pet. When I bring my vet evidence of what my concerns are, the least they can do is LISTEN/PAY ATTENTION TO IT especially when they have no answers!

              It is hard to believe ,(but I do believe it!) that your pet was throwing up blood and your vet did not find your impatience COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE!! Time IS of the essence in such cases, sheesh!

              Thanks for a great post.

        • Sharonh

          Thanks for this rational response to a hateful post. I do believe vets are in practice to improve the lives of our pets. I no longer vaccinate my pets when they reach adulthood. My vet didn’t approve years ago, he now does. The right kind of growth and the right kind of vet.

        • Bobbie Prevost

          I agree with your statement Dr X. Don’t blame the vet who may not have known. Help enlighten the Dr. If you have always trusted the vet, give them the chance to acknowledge and understand and then go form there with your decisions to continue using the Dr that cares for your pet. I think most vets, like human doctors, truly care about and want to help their patients. Lets be honest they can not build a good practice by earning a reputation of “losing patients or pets” too often.

      • Paige McGhan

        Janet- I have been through a similar experience with a vet that over vaccinated my “babies” . I would always have to bring them back with a rash or other type of ailment after the vaccine. She would prescribe antibiotics which in the end made things worse by weakening their immune system even more! And she NEVER mentioned to me that their sickness could very well be a result of all the vaccines. They did not die, thank God, but we are still struggling with allergies, skin problems, ect., and I am worried sick that something worse will come up down the line. So I can totally relate to how you feel about your former vet.And with all due respect to Dr. X, there is NO EXCUSE for vets that are continuing to over vaccinate! I have done a ton of research, and the information about this issue has been out there for at least 30 years. The “Titer Test” has been available for that long as well. Therefore, there IS NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER! To me, it amounts to nothing less than malpractice. If it were up to me, these vets would not only lose their license, they would be criminally prosecuted. No doubt if that were put into legislation, all vets would suddenly “wake-up”.

        I agree that hate doesn’t solve anything. So I channeling that energy into something positive by informing other pet owners about the reality of vaccines in every way I can. It is becoming my mission in life.

        So dear Janet- my heart goes out to you. Nothing can replace your loss, but I pray that you now have a new beloved doggie that will be by your side for a long, long time………..

    44. This information needs to be posted everywhere. Our states should revise their Rabies vaccination mandate. Dogs should still be able to get a license with a rabies titer. Veterinarians are losing the trust of their clients when they stay silent on this issue. Catherine is to be commended for looking out for pet parents and their pets.

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    14. They have known vaccines kill cat, dogs and humans for years :O( | The Pet Whisperer™ - May 14, 2011

      [...] http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/purdue-vaccination-studies/ [...]

    15. Pet Vaccines Study - May 13, 2011

      [...] [...]

    16. Atricle re: Vaccines - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community - May 7, 2011

      [...] [...]

    17. Vaccination Studies and Auto-antibodies « Dog FYI: Dog Health Information Library - May 5, 2011

      [...] Read more at Dogs Naturally: The Purdue Vaccination Studies and Auto-antibodies [...]

    18. Om vaccinering och husdjur – Urkraftfamiljen väntar tillökning! | Urkraft – Mother Warrior - May 4, 2011

      [...] du börja med en kortare text så finner du en väldigt intressant artikel HÄR (tips: använd det automatiska översättningsverktyget eller google translate), författad av [...]

    19. Some Useful Information | - April 30, 2011

      [...] http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/purdue-vaccination-studies/ Study from Purdue University [...]

    20. The Purdue Vaccination Studies and Auto-antibodies - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community - April 30, 2011

      [...] [...]

    21. Lengthy, but a good read .... - Maltese Dogs Forum : Spoiled Maltese Forums - April 30, 2011

      [...] this is a good read … and further information on how to proceed with protecting out furkids! Catherine O’Driscoll | Purdue Vaccine Study HUGz! Jules __________________ "It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a [...]

    22. Favorite dog websites? - Dogs - City-Data Forum - April 29, 2011

      [...] Naturally, especially the article that just came out regarding a Purdue University vaccine study. Catherine O’Driscoll | Purdue Vaccine Study Critter Advocacy Dog Food Project Dog Travel and Lifestyle Magazine | FIDO Friendly I find [...]

    23. Purdue Vaccination study released - very sobering .... - Chihuahua Forum : Chihuahua Breed Dog Forums - April 29, 2011

      [...] on the over vaccination issue and how vaccines can damage the immune system. A must read! Catherine O’Driscoll | Purdue Vaccine Study __________________ *Tracy and [...]

    24. Why we only require rabies vaccination | Bifrost Farms - April 27, 2011

      [...] effects of vaccinating dogs past the initial first year boosters. One of the most recent was by the Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine which seems to indicate that yearly vaccinations can cause auto-immune disorders in both people and [...]

    25. Purdue Vaccination Studies and Auto-antibodies « 2 Million Dogs – The Blog - April 26, 2011

      [...] Please check out the complete article here. [...]

    26. Glucosamine For Dogs - April 26, 2011

      [...] is especially important in vaccinated dogs as they develop antibodies to their own collagen (see The Purdue Study results). Collagen is a protein found in fibrous tissues such as tendon, ligament and skin, and is also [...]

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