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3 Puppy Vaccination Mistakes: Too Early, Too Often, Too Much

Aussie PuppiesIn January 2010, breeder Cindy Williams was enjoying her litter of four beautiful Newfoundland puppies. The puppies were big and strong and, at 8 1/2 weeks, the puppies were examined by the vet before venturing off to their new homes. They were treated to the usual puppy wellness check including a health exam, microchips and first vaccination. All of the puppies passed with flying colors.

Ten days later, a female puppy, Gracie, began showing less interest in her food, followed by vomiting and diarrhea. Soon afterward, one of her brothers exhibited the same symptoms. Overnight, Cindy noticed a curious twitching around Gracie’s head and mouth. Cindy brought her into the vet clinic first thing the next morning.

At the clinic, Gracie was given IV fluids, steroids and antibiotics – as well as valium to calm the twitching. The treatment didn’t have any effect however. Later that evening, Cindy was horrified to see that Gracie’s brother Doc began twitching as well. In the meantime, Gracie was suffering continuous seizures that were not responding to any drugs.

Later the next afternoon, Doc was seen by a neurological specialist who declared he was suffering the same battle as Gracie. By the end of the day, both puppies were suffering terribly and Cindy chose to let them pass. She requested an autopsy as their litter mates were at home and she was worried about them.

When the autopsy results came in, it was confirmed that the puppies had distemper.

Cindy was surprised by this: the dam was vaccinated, there were no unvaccinated dogs on her property and no outbreaks in her community. The puppy run was also enclosed and Cindy supervised the puppies when outside, so she was certain that racoons did not get in that area. Cindy began speaking with veterinary immunologists, and learned that it was possible that the vaccine she had given her puppies, a modified live combination vaccine (Da2PP – distemper, adenovirus, parvovirus and parainfluenza), could have ‘awakened’ in her puppies and actually caused the very disease she was trying to prevent. She didn’t know how to pursue this any further, apart from reporting it to the vaccine manufacturer and the CIFA, the Canadian department for veterinary biologics.

Cindy kept her two remaining puppies and vaccinated them at 14 weeks with a recombinant vaccine and thankfully, they escaped further harm. Then, nearly two years later, Cindy received a chilling call – it was happening again.

Bastian and Bella were two beautiful Newfoundland puppies who Jeannette Many Horses was delighted to welcome into her home on January 7, 2012. These puppies were bred by a caring breeder of 40 years who, like Cindy, did her research and raised her dogs on raw food and vaccinated them minimally. Bastian and Bella were vaccinated with a recombinant combination vaccine at the breeder’s home and, soon afterward, departed for their new homes.

Bastian and Bella were the picture of health when they jumped into Jeannette’s arms for the first time. As they grew and flourished, Jeannette concluded it was time for their second set of vaccinations. On January 20th, the puppies went to the veterinary clinic for a checkup and for their vaccinations – a combination vaccine from a different manufacturer but with the same components as the vaccine Cindy used. Jeannette’s vet also added a monovalent killed coronavirus vaccine.

On January 25th, five days after their vaccination, both Bastian and Bella became lethargic and had very loose stools. When Jeannette called the veterinary clinic out of concern, she was told that this could not be a reaction to the vaccine as the puppies would have exhibited symptoms sooner. She was advised to do nothing and that the illness would likely pass on its own.

Two days later, Bastian began shaking and pacing and his seizures and pain continued unabated. The following morning, on January 28th, Jeannette received a phone call. Cindy had been informed of Bastian and Bella’s illness by another breeder and immediately contacted Jeannette to warn her of her own terrible experience. Jeannette decided at this point that it would be best to let Bastian cross. On the morning of January 30th, Bella also joined her brother.

One day later, on January 31st, the unthinkable happened. Jeannette learned that Bastian and Bella’s litter sister, Sophie who lived several states away, also succumbed to distemper, just nine days after her second vaccination.

Like Cindy, Jeannette suspected her puppies got distemper from the vaccine. After she received the necropsy results, Jeannette sent the puppies’ DNA to Michigan State University for testing. The results showed a 100% match between the vaccine virus and the distemper virus found in her puppies. In other words, Bastian and Bella died from vaccination – with 100% certainty.

Then Sophie’s DNA also results came in, proving that she too died from the vaccine virus.

Many veterinarians and pet owners have suspected for years that modified live vaccines have the ability to revert to virulence in the host. These five puppies all died from their modified live vaccinations and were relatively unscathed by the recombinant shots. However, simply switching to a recombinant vaccine will not render the vaccine harmless, as you will see below.

Pay now or pay later

Like Cindy and Jeannette, Georgia was aware of the potential damage of vaccinating too often. Georgia however, decided to not vaccinate her Great Dane puppy, Easy, at all. Easy was a vibrant puppy but Georgia later became concerned about recent parvovirus outbreaks in her area. She decided to titer Easy when he was six months to see if he was protected against parvo.

Easy’s titers came back as low for parvo and Georgia felt pressured by veterinary advice to vaccinate him. She took what she envisioned to be the safest route possible and had Easy vaccinated with a monovalent, parvo-only vaccine since his titers showed protection against distemper. The vaccine was delivered to Easy’s scapular area and, three weeks later, Georgia ran a second titer which was now positive. Easy was protected – from parvo at least.

At the age of 18 months, Easy developed osteosarcoma (bone cancer) in his scapula – right where the vaccine was given one year ago. Six weeks later, the pain became too much for Easy and Georgia helped him to cross.

Any vaccine given at any point in a dog’s life has the ability to kill him or cause serious harm. If pet owners want to avoid vaccine-related dangers, then the best option would be to not vaccinate at all. This is a viable option for many who would gladly trade the risk of vaccine related damage for the risk of acute infection from puppy diseases.

Pet owners who don’t vaccinate – and the vets who support this practice – realize that the risk of distemper is very low and that parvovirus in unvaccinated and healthy puppies is treatable in the majority of cases. They also realize that vaccines are ticking bombs that can create immediate and devastating disease in puppies such as Jeannette’s, or that the result might be more insidious, as was the case with Easy.

Here is a list of potential adverse vaccine reactions, according to noted veterinary immunologist, Dr. Ronald Schultz. If you vaccinate, these vaccine risks are not completely unavoidable. There are steps that you can take however, to decrease the risk of disease in your puppy.The first step is to have a fundamental knowledge of the immune system and what vaccines can and can’t do.

Vaccination or Immunization?

It may come as a surprise to some people – and many vets – that vaccination and immunization are not the same thing. Your dog or puppy is perfectly capable of creating immunity all by himself – and once he does, the immunity likely lasts for a lifetime.

Naturally acquired immunity is why, not that long ago, parents used to have ‘chicken pox parties’ for their children; and also why, once children got chicken pox, they never got it again. Natural immunity is how most dogs survived without vaccination when parvovirus first came on the scene over thirty years ago – and how the original strain of parvo is still in the environment but very rarely causes noticeable clinical signs in dogs – even though there is no vaccine for it.The body has a highly functional immune system that works exceedingly well in most cases.

Vaccines do not immunize: they sensitize. Their job is to introduce small amounts of disease to the body, albeit artificially, so the body is able to form immunity on a more convenient and predictable time frame.

Most vets pay a lot of attention to vaccinating but very little attention to immunizing. The result is that most puppy vaccination series are poorly timed and the wrong vaccines are given at inappropriate times and given too often. Simply stated, puppies are vaccinated too early, too often and with too many vaccines at once.

When this happens, the vaccines suppress the immune system instead of supporting it – or in many cases, they can cause an over-stimulation of the immune system and the body can begin to attack its own cells (autoimmune disease). So it is crucial that every vaccine and every puppy is treated with the utmost caution and care and that immunization, not vaccination, is the goal.

Too Early

When puppies are very young, they are protected from disease by ingesting their mother’s first milk, called colostrum. This rich milk contains maternal antibodies against infectious disease, which the mother passes down to her puppies. The puppy’s immune system is not fully mature, or active, until it is around six months of age, so the maternal antibodies provide passive immunity to each puppy.

When a puppy with a reasonable amount of maternal antibodies is vaccinated, the maternal antibodies will essentially inactivate the vaccine, just as they would a real virus. The maternal antibodies for distemper are fairly predictable and are usually low enough for vaccination to be effective at eight or nine weeks of age. In the case of parvovirus however, the maternal antibodies last a lot longer in most puppies so vaccinating at eight or nine weeks wouldn’t be all that effective.

In a study performed by Vanguard, it was found that a combination vaccine (which typically contains parvovirus, distemper and one to five other antigens), given to six week old puppies had only a 52% chance of protecting them against parvo. This means that the puppy has all of the risk of the vaccine but only half the potential benefit. At nine weeks of age, 88% of the puppies in the study showed a response to the vaccine. At 12 weeks, 100% of the puppies were protected. Some vaccines will provide protection earlier or later.

Vaccinating puppies under 12 weeks of age, and certainly under nine weeks of age, for parvovirus is a high risk, low reward approach. Not only is the parvovirus component of the combination vaccine not all that likely to be effective, it can actually work to block the effectiveness of the distemper component. It also makes the vaccine more dangerous, because the more antigens contained in the vaccine, the greater the risk of autoimmune disease (including allergies, joint disease and cancer).

Moreover, most vets haven’t seen a case of distemper in years, which begs the question: what is the big push to start vaccinating puppies at six to eight weeks of age when the parvovirus component is unlikely to work and it is very unlikely the puppy will come into contact with distemper?

Too Often

Pfizer performed an interesting field study in 1996 where they split vaccinated puppies into two groups. Group A received a single vaccination at 12 weeks and Group B received a first vaccine between eight to 10 weeks and a second at 12 weeks. When titers were measured, 100% of the puppies vaccinated once at 12 weeks were protected whereas only 94% of the puppies in Group B were protected – despite receiving two vaccines as opposed to one. It appears that the first vaccine can interfere with the second vaccine. So vaccinating your puppy twice not only doubles his risk for adverse vaccine reactions, it appears to make vaccination less effective overall.

Most people – and many vets – believe that it takes more than one vaccine to create immunity in a puppy. This simply isn’t true. It only takes one vaccine to not only protect a puppy, but to protect him for life.

After more than 40 years of testing immunity in thousands of dogs, Dr. Ronald Schultz has come to the following conclusion: “Only one dose of the modified-live canine ‘core’ vaccine, when administered at 16 weeks or older, will provide long lasting (many years to a lifetime) immunity in a very high percentage of animals.” That very high percentage is nearly 100%.

The only reason vets give puppies more than one vaccine is that they are trying to catch the small window in time when the maternal antibodies are low enough that they will not block the vaccine, but the puppy is young enough that he is not exposed to viruses in the environment. The point in time when the maternal antibodies for parvovirus wane enough for vaccination to work can vary between eight weeks and 26 weeks. So vets dutifully and mindlessly vaccinate every two to four weeks – with a combination vaccine, not just with parvo – trying to get one of them to work.

Most vets also vaccinate once more at a year of age – just to be certain.

Nearly all vets vaccinate every year or three years after that – for some unknown reason because there is no scientific validity to this practice. As Dr. Schultz stated, there is no need for revaccination once a puppy is protected – and if a puppy receives a vaccination at 16 weeks, he is very, very likely to be protected.

Too Much

The result of these errors in judgement is that puppies receive more vaccines than they need – lots more. They receive a parvovirus component in their first combination vaccine when that part of the vaccine has little chance of working. Most puppies are protected against distemper with the first vaccine if not given too early, yet most puppies are given a combination vaccine containing distemper at 12 to 16 weeks and older – when they really only need the parvovirus.

Most combination puppy vaccines also contain an adenovirus component. Adenovirus has been shown to suppress the immune system for ten days following vaccination. This means that puppies that receive needless vaccines not only suffer the risk of adverse events from the vaccine, but they are more at risk of picking up any other virus or bacterium that crosses their path because their immune system has been overloaded by the vaccine itself.

This is not a good proposition for a puppy taken to the vet clinic to receive his vaccines, because it exposes him to the riskiest possible environment, outside of perhaps an animal shelter, and his immune system will be suppressed while his body tries to fight four, five or even seven different diseases, all at the same time. It’s no wonder that puppies can succumb to vaccine-induced disease – their immune system is simply overloaded at a time when they are exposed to a pretty dangerous place for puppies to be.

Adenovirus is an upper respiratory disease that is self limiting – that hardly seems like a good trade off for immune protection when puppies need it most. The same applies to parainfluenza – and coronavirus which commonly occurs only in puppies too young to be vaccinated anyway. And that’s just the core vaccines.

Some puppies will also be vaccinated with other non-core vaccines including the particularly dangerous leptospirosis vaccine. Clearly, vets are very good at vaccination. The problem is, current puppy vaccination programs don’t adequately address immunity. Very few vets take a realistic and scientific look at the best time to vaccinate for distemper, followed by the best time to vaccinate for parvovirus, followed by asking why are we even vaccinating for self limiting diseases such as coronavirus and adenovirus, which are really only dangerous in puppies who are too young to effectively vaccinate anyway?

Taking the Guesswork out of Puppy Shots

Vaccines may seem technologically advanced, but when given randomly and for no good reason, they are at best useless and at worst dangerous. Vaccine manufacturers are constantly trying to improve the safety of vaccines, but there will always be an inherent danger when injecting pharmaceutical products, along with their toxic chemicals, into puppies.

Until the dubious time comes when vaccines are completely safe and completely effective, there are two proven, effective ways to reduce the number of unnecessary vaccines in puppies, thereby reducing the risk of puppies dying or suffering permanent illness from vaccines.

Nomographs

Not that many years ago, vets used something called a nomograph to tell breeders the best time to vaccinate their puppies. The nomograph examines antibody titers of the dam and determines almost exactly when her maternal antibodies will wear off in her puppies. The value in knowing this is that the breeder can provide the right vaccine at the right time, eliminating the need for, and risk of, unnecessary vaccinations.

Nomographs are perfect for breeders who are interested in using only monovalent (single virus), vaccines in place of the more dangerous combination or polyvalent vaccines. For example, the nomograph could predict that the maternal antibodies for distemper will wane at eight weeks, but that parvovirus might be at 14 weeks. The breeder would then vaccinate with the right vaccine at the right time and the vaccination schedule would be based on science instead of guesswork. Yet for some reason, nomographs have fallen out of favor.

Titers

For puppy owners without the advantage of a nomograph, titers can save puppies’ lives and protect their well being in the long run. Instead of guessing if vaccination is necessary, running a titer three weeks after a vaccination will indicate with nearly 100% certainty whether the puppy needs another vaccine or not.

Titers also allow vets to use the safer monovalent vaccines. A puppy can be vaccinated at an age when he is likely to respond to the vaccine – and if he comes back with a titer three weeks later, he is protected and very likely for life. If there is no titer for parvo at that time, a monovalent vaccine could be given and a titer run three weeks after that. If the titer is low, then the vaccine can be repeated but if it is high, the puppy is protected against parvovirus, very likely for life. And the good news is that, there is now a new and affordable in-house titer test.

Despite these two easily accessible options, many vets believe – and lead us to believe – that puppies must be subjected to a series of vaccinations. Many vets understand titers but don’t offer them as an option to vaccination. This may be because vaccines are cheap and titers are not. Whether that equates to less profit for the vets or they are assuming that puppy owners don’t want to invest in a safer vaccination program is unknown. Titers can be expensive – but so can the damage that results from vaccines. Unlike vaccines, titers are completely safe for puppies.

Many vets are also unwilling to stock monovalent vaccines because of the higher cost. The most likely scenario however, is that vets are simply vaccinating with the typical puppy schedule out of nothing more than habit and convenience.

In the end, the best way to avoid vaccine damage – and your puppy being the subject of another tragic story – is obviously to not vaccinate. This might increase the risk of acute disease, but domestic and wild animals – and people too – have been exposed to viruses for years and the immune system, when not suppressed with vaccinations, poor diet, toxins and drugs, has a profound ability to fight off exposure to viruses and bacteria. Simply supporting the immune system can go a long ways toward avoiding acute disease such as parvo – and will certainly reduce the severity of the symptoms.

The second option is to choose vaccines wisely and with a constant awareness that every vaccine has the potential to kill the patient. Nomographs and titers are useful tools that really aren’t that expensive in the long run when compared to the thousands of dollars pet owners spend on chronic, vaccine-induced diseases including but certainly not limited to, hypothyroidism, seizures, cancer, arthritis, allergies and gastrointestinal issues. They are very cheap insurance in many regards.

The worst option is to do nothing different and haphazardly vaccinate puppies every two to four weeks with a combination vaccine. Many vets fail to make the connection between chronic, debilitating disease and over-vaccination, so unless a puppy’s head swells to the size of a football immediately after vaccination, they are reluctant to blame vaccines for any of the adverse reactions that Dr. Schultz identified.

It’s important to understand that we pet owners can open vets’ eyes to safer and more effective puppy vaccination programs by paying for titer tests and investing in monovalent vaccines – even if that means having to buy a whole case of vaccine vials for one little puppy. Chances are that case of monovalent vaccines will disappear, one by one, and every one used means one less puppy who will be potentially harmed by needless or thoughtless vaccination.

 

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  • 68 Responses to 3 Puppy Vaccination Mistakes: Too Early, Too Often, Too Much

    1. C

      HELP!! I’m freaking out right now. We had our baby girl spayed today. She’s a husky mix. When we got home and went through the paperwork, we found she had been vaccinated a SECOND time for Rabies. She had her first shit in May, at 14 weeks and again today (end of August). Not happy right now. Total confusion and denial going on with the vets, place where we got her etc. wondering if she’s in Danger or what side affects could be? Should we be concerned? Vet said she had no knowledge she had a previous set of shots as the veg has never see. Her before. Rabies were done at a different vet. Anyway, shouldn’t the vet have access to like a computer network where all files for dogs are? We sent paperwork with her with the person who dropped her off and someone severely screwed up. She has her tag on her collar and somehow it got missed. To say the least we are PISSED and there seems to be a lot of confusion as to who’s fault this is and I think a lot of covering up going on. I just want to make sure our girl is going to be ok. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        The vet wouldn’t have access to other vets’ records but they certainly should have asked you before vaccinating her, and they also should not have vaccinated her while she was undergoing surgery. So I would definitely look for a new vet if I were you! I would keep an eye on her for the next few months. Here’s an article that may be helpful and it contains various useful links including how to look for a homeopathic vet (theavh.org) which would be the best approach if you feel your girl is exhibiting any vaccinosis symptoms. http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/vaccination-reactions-can-mimic-disease-symptoms/

    2. Jackie

      I came upon this website while trying to find out what is wrong with my Yorkie puppy. The stories told seem very similar to our current situation. Our Yorkie was purchased from a “back yard breeder”. A guy my husband works with bred his two dogs and had the pups. Lincoln was a very happy, very healthy puppy. We took him in for his second round of shouts at 13 weeks on the 30th of May. He got sick afterward for about a day but the vet said he might act lethargic afterwards. The next day he seemed fine again and we wrote it off. 8 days later he was not our Lincoln anymore. It started as lethargy, and not eating, then a very high fever. We took him in and they said it was possibly his liver. We ran loads of blood tests but they couldn’t find anything. Then the neuro symptoms started a day later. He was twitching and couldn’t keep his balanced walk. He also shows a lack of attention and recognition. He has been at the clinic 3 days now. Today he is getting an MRI and Spinal tap. We are waiting for the results but I think it is just too coincidental that we had this happy healthy pup and now he is no longer really “there”. It’s heartbreaking because we love him so.

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        Jackie, I’m so sorry to read about your Yorkie’s illness. You may want to consult a homeopathic vet about his care. You can find one at theavh.org. Many will do phone consults so you don’t necessarily need to find one locally.

    3. Doris

      I would guess that much (if not all) of what is written in this article could be applied to cats as well? Good information. Thanks.

        • Kate

          Yeah, I don’t do booster shots for my cats at all. It seems ridiculous to vaccinate indoor animals against viruses they’re never going to be exposed to. They had them at the rescue before I adopted them but that’s it. Now my oldest is 18 and in perfect health, never been sick a day. She did have a rabies booster about 2.5 years ago when I had to take her into the vet for a cyst (I was concerned it was something more serious) but that’s the law.

    4. Jill

      My puppy was given Da2P when 6 weeks, 10 weeks, and they told me again in 3 weeks. I was going to wait 4 weeks though. Should I wait until 15 or 16 weeks though or should I just get a titer done to even see if he needs a 3rd set. I thought if I titer too early then the moms antibodies will show up instead of protection from the shots.

    5. Mariah Durnal

      We recently had a litter of Siberian husky pups. At 8 days old they were taken with their mother to the Vet and had the dew claws removed and at this time they insisted she have a rabbies vaccine since tbey had no record on hand. I had bought her from a lady and she had done them in her local town. They claimed to have called and asked the vets in that area if they had records under my name! I also was not happy a vet tech gave the injection which is not legal in our state. The same vettech had used a rectal thermometer without gloves and I didn’t witness her washing them myself! She then proceeded to touch and re glue open areas on the dew claws. No gloves. She had also tried to obtain a fecal sample without gloves. Within several days the puppies started becoming more lethargic and nursing less. They opened their eyes and two of them immediately started having crusted eyes and snotty noses. We took the two sick ones to the vet. Tbis time the actual vet saw us. The puppy was not able to keep itself upright and had trouble keeping it’s head and neck up and under control. I was concerned tbey were blind and given what I felt were excuses by the vet and was sent home with antibiotics and to treat all 6 pups. After several hours another puppy got sick and again the next day took the momma dog and all 6 pups back. We had no resolution just sick pups and to keep antibiotics going. We had 3/3! By the end of the night they all were sick. We have them yogurt and milk replacer and then goats milk. They all were unable to control their heads and most having seizures. Not to mention crying inconsolably. We lost two in 24 hours and got a song and dance! We went to a different vet to try and save the others. He said had never seen anything like it! We ended up putting the remaining 4 down. The first vet said they weren’t suffering. I’m just so beside myself! The other thing is we have another litter of 8 pups who had no exposure to the rabbies vaccine nor dew claws or to the vet clinic. They were close to the other pups at times! They are all happy and healthy! We did take one to the animal science dept for an autopsy. I’ve just been told that giving a rabbies shot to a nursing mother is a big no no and that the symptoms they had were of the toxins attacking their nerves etc. after reading this article I’m more convinced that the vet was in the wrong.

    6. Gordon

      Our Dogs will never receive another vaccination as long as they live…
      We have a Mother and Son…the Mother, upon receiving her 3rd Rabies Vaccine in her short 4-year-life…developed Vaccinosis…and we did, what most unsuspecting Dog Owners would do…took her to a “conventional Vet”…who immediately administered a Steroid Shot…which is the worst protocol possible for the syndrome…
      Fortunatley , through a Friend, we got her to a Holistic Practitioner, who , in no uncertain terms…Saved our Dogs Life.
      If a situation arises, that it becomes apparent another Rabies Vaccine be mandatory…the first step should and will be a Rabies Titre test…as most/all Dogs, generally only need one vaccination, if any, in their (already brief) lifetime.

    7. Melissa

      Hello, I vaccinated my puppy at 15 weeks, and again at 26 weeks. did I harm him, put him at ris for parvo.

      I chose to revaccinat him because I felt presured by the vet…also since I heard that two of his siblings and mother recently died of parvo. The vet recommended I come back three weeks from know to give him another vaccine. She mentioned that my puppy was at greater risk of contracting parvo since he is a American Pit Bull mix (with Broder collie) she told me that apt are at greater risk of dying from parvo.

      I also don’t understand why the first time we vaccinated with a 5 in 1 and this time she vaccinated him with a 7 in 1. She wanted to do the rabies shot along with these shots but I declined and said I would rather wait. I had originally went in for a rabies shot, we held off giving the rabies since he has H.O.D. spell when he was scheduled to go in…

      So I guess my question is did I make my puppy more susceptible to parvo rather than preventing it?

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        Good for you for choosing to do the rabies separately! The best way to answer your question is to run a titer for parvo. If the titer is positive, you know he’s protected and won’t need another vaccine.

    8. lady benson

      what about the rabies vaccination that every one says needs to be done every three yrs

      • Kate

        The rabies vaccine is different because it’s legally required. Obviously no one is running around checking but once they’re older if you do need to take your dog to the vet for some reason and don’t have proof of vaccination they will either refuse to see the dog or give the rabies vaccination then. Generally speaking I’d say it’s better to do it on your schedule when the dog is healthy than wait for it to be given when you’ve taken your already ill/injured pet to to vet.

    9. Jason Gomez

      I follow alternative dog care. However due to this, 5 of my dogs died from cases of distemper and parvo within 1-1/2 years!

      Siberian Husky, CHinese Sharpei, Mutt, Great Dane.

      They say Parvo is treatable and when it happened? I wasnt scared.

      They still died anyway!

      I still follow alternative animal care. But im never not going to vaccinate them again!
      Now I only have 1 dog left. I had her vaccinated with 5 and 1. Looks good so far. Everyday I still feed her colloidal silver for good measure.

      Incidentally my deceased dogs were give CS almost everyday too. Again they all died.

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        Hi Jason
        Colloidal silver is not a cure for parvovirus by any stretch. Please share the treatment options your holistic vet gave you. I’m sure we can all learn from them. Speaking as somebody who’s puppy recovered from parvo in 12 hours, not all treatments are the same.
        ~ Dana

        • Nicole

          Please, tell me what holisitc cures you have for parvo? Tell the me the mechanisms of what causes it. Is there any long term damage? I guess I just cannot understand the stance of “it is treatable” when I myself have rescued a litter affected by it. When I caught the disease within a few hours of onset, one puppy was lost and the other was in critical care for almost two weeks. The other three were treated before clinical symptoms occured and were not as serious, but still took approximately 3 days to return to normal. While stating a few facts, this article is unsound and one sided without explaining the real risks involved. The parvovirus can persist in the environment for years; how is this ok? Parvo and distemper are low in numbers affected among the vaccinated “public” majority because of just that. In six years of working in a clinic I have seen maybe a few reactions, most are lethargy. Can you guess why? How do you feel when you have a cold and your immune system is working, lethargic. Hypsensivity reactions are rare and can be counteracted with supportive care. Vaccine related sarcomas are also rare. Great Danes are predisposed to osterosarcomas. Autoimmunity issues are inherited, any stress on the immune system can cause an acute onset.

    10. I found this very interesting 40 years ago my friend who was a vet told me not before 12 and 14 weeks
      always done and no boosters if I can get away with out but the KENNELS insist mine now go to friends with their 14 dog no problems wish I had to email to breed health as we have so many problems !

    11. Dana

      I have had bad experience with vaccinations on 2 of my dogs. I have agreed to give my third dog one round of shots in order to get her fixed. They scared me to death that the dog may catch something while at vet. I think there are A LOT more reactions to this poison they are putting in our dogs than what is reported. They push it under the rug or vets will go out of business. Especially dogs that are kept inside do not need these chemicals. So what they went to school for eight years medical Drs do as well and they kill people every day with chemo and radiation and so on. Do your research.

    12. Anna W

      What would be the recommended schedule to vaccinate your puppy in order to avoid over vaccinating?

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        Hi Anna
        Dr Ronald Schultz’s minimum schedule is parvo/distemper/adenovirus once at 16 weeks then never again.

        • Samantha Stone

          This makes perfect sense to me. My only issue is that according to city bylaw, I’m required to vaccinate my dogs against rabies every 3 years.

          What is the best age to begin this? After that injection at 16 weeks?

          I”m going to approach the city to get them to accept titers as proof of protection.

          PLEASE ADVISE!
          Many thanks!
          Sam

    13. Dear Dogs Naturally,

      What do you feel or know is the incidence of vaccine reaction per “x” dogs?

      We operate a non-profit rescue and have vaccinated hundreds of dogs, rescued them from shelters and cared for them either to their forever homes or to the bridge.

      What we HAVE seen is parvo… what we have NEVER seen is a vaccine reaction in ANY dog.

      I have also never seen rescue friends post about vaccine reactions, but I have seen rescue friends with dogs and puppies repeatedly battling parvo, with a minority but still more than acceptable number succumbing to it.

      What you also fail to mention is that once a dog has had parvo and is shedding it, it lives in the environment for up to 18-24 months — just sitting there, waiting to reinfect the next dog. Owners may feel safe with their titers and their dogs sitting in their homes with white picket fences. But if the owner walks anywhere that parvo has been, they can carry it home to their dog on their person.

      We have thankfully never had cases of lepto, distemper or similar. We HAVE had some BRUTAL cases of upper respiratory infections that would have been tempered by a vaccine most likely — and possibly not even have existed with vaccination.

      I don’t need a study or someone who’s bred a few litters (as a rescuer now and former breeder, that doesn’t command much respect from me in terms of expertise) to tell me what I live every day — seeing unvaccinated animals suffer and too frequently die from preventable diseases.

      And although it’s not mentioned here, it’s extremely frustrating and disheartening to hear holistic folks talk about natural treatments and remedies for heartworm prevention and/or infestations. People who choose “not to put chemicals” in their dogs are kidding themselves if they think there’s an option for this one or that it’s safe to forgo heartworm prevention in most parts of the country. We are treating THIRTEEN dogs for heartworm disease right now. There are a couple that are high risk because of their age and complicating conditions. TOTALLY preventable with chemicals.

      People with one or two dogs would never know these things and read articles blindly with little or no experience. I hate the “don’t trust the ‘man’” mentality related to vets. MOST, not all, veterinarians go into the profession because they LOVE animals! They have every right to make money – it’s their career. If you KNOW what you want to do with your dog — with NO veterinary or medical education, that’s your business. But don’t bash a vet who’s invested an insane amount of time and money into being able to medically care for animals.

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        Hi Kristie
        I guess it depends on which side of the fence you live on. We hardly ever hear about dogs getting parvo, but every day, we hear about dogs dying or suffering illness and disease from vaccines. Oh, and I’ve had a puppy with parvo by the way. He pulled through in 12 hours with some herbs and homeopathic remedies. Parvo is a much greater concern for dogs who are already sick and full of parasites. We all see the world with different eyes, based on our experiences.
        Dana

        • velvet denney

          My dog got Parvo around 4 mos, He had never been vaccinated. He was very tired acting and not wanting to eat, it happened overnight. We caught it early by going to the doggie E.R. He spent the night at the hospital and with meds he was well in about 7 days or so. Cost was $500. The vaccine would have been much cheaper at 14 weeks old. Just sayin.

          • Dogs Naturally Magazine

            It would have been cheaper to just euthanize him too, so I’m not sure what your point is. In the long run, let’s see how much you end up paying for chronic diseases and then we can talk about the cost effectiveness vaccinating dogs ;-)

      • Michelle

        I, as a breeder also have a higher education in animal science. I do know that many times when I go to a regular vet, they really have no clue as to the particulars pertaining to my breed specifically. I find myself educating them. But I will say that the benefits far outweigh the risks when it comes to vaccines. There are new strains of Parvo, all over the world, that do not yet have vaccines to protect our pets against! I have raised & worked with other breeders, worked for different veterinarians, and have NOT EVER seen a reaction to a vaccination. I have seen many hundreds of puppies, and adult dogs succumb to the viruses that can be protected by vaccines. I agree with Kristy, Amanda, Lillian on the most part to say vaccines are safe, this is why we dont see millions of other cases of the disease and TRUST REPUTABLE BREEDERS also, as they are trying to do the best for their breed & beloved pets.

      • Barb Flowers

        We DO operate a rescue, specifically dachshunds and Chihuahua, and Have seen vaccine reactions. Maybe it is these 2 breeds, but I would do much more to eliminate those reactions if it were less expensive. We have had heads or eyes swell, dogs go into anaphylaxis where they go right down on the table or where they run a ways and then collapse and cases where they had a head tilt and walked in circles. Our problem is when we get a dog in without a shot record we feel that we have to vaccine because if it has parvo, we are not safe to bring in another rescue for 6 months to a year. If they made a titer test we could do without a vet it would help. (Several of us are or were vet techs and drawing blood is no problem)
        Personally, my own dogs will never be vaccinated again. I lost a dog to autoimmune hemolytic anemia and I hope to never go through that again.

      • Fellow Rescuer

        I’m also a dog rescuer and have been for almost 30 years. If you’ve never seen a vaccine reaction, I suspect you don’t know what to look for. I’ve never seen or owned a healthy rescue dog and we see vaccine reactions and vaccinosis all the time. Seizures, aggression, behavior/mental problems, excessive fear, barking, whining; legs too long, lethargy, breeders whose animals can’t conceive, entire litters stillborn, auto-immune diseases, birth defects, (born without eyes or brains, 2 sets of teeth, teeth too small and too much space between them, heart/kidney/liver abnormalities or diseases at birth), failure to thrive, and death have all resulted from vaccines. I could go on and on. A big problem is that most vets and people don’t have a clue about all the damage these poisons cause…or that each generation of vaccinated animals (people, too) are worse than the previous one. Vaccines have altered and damaged the DNA. You can’t inject toxins and cells from other species without serious damage resulting. Pharma won’t educate vets on this because they don’t want them to know all the damage the vaxs cause. That way, they can deny the problem is caused by the vax. Vets are educated by the pharmaceutical and pet food industries. It’s an obvious conflict of interest and why they don’t know the facts.

        We just had a 4.75 lb. puppy almost die because the stupid shelter vet gave the pup a 5 in 1 vaccine along with rabies at the same time. The pup wasn’t in good condition when it arrived at the shelter…typical for a kibble fed dog. He was underweight and shouldn’t have gotten any vax. I know the animal control officer and he told me they instructed the vet NOT to vax the pup. The dog had to be hospitalized and treated for 3 days and almost didn’t make it. As soon as we got him home, he went on raw meat and bones, and the homeopathic remedies our natural vet advised. It’s been about 3 months and while he’s much improved, he has classic signs of vaccinosis – behavior issues, destroys anything in his crate, whines and barks excessively, gets too aggressive with other dogs for no reason.

        In one year, we had 6 very young dogs die shortly after getting their shelter vaccines. We’ve treated 4 this year who got parvo right after they received their standard shelter combo vaxs. Yes, you can get the very disease the vaccine is supposed to make you “immune” to. That’s another story. Vaxs do not give immunity; that’s also a lie. They sensitize, but do not immunize. There’s a big difference and I won’t take the time to go into that here.

        About 3 years ago, a breeder surrendered 3 un-vaccinated pups to us. She told us the parents had been given 1 combo vax, but none of her dogs had ever been vaccinated for rabies. We discussed it and opted to give these dogs a chance at greater health and a longer life. We consulted our natural vet and didn’t vaccinate them. They were changed to the raw meat and bones diet along with supplements to strengthen their immune system, and later on they were adopted to people we know who live a natural lifestyle. They’re raising their pets the same way. These dogs are happy, seem to be incredibly healthy and have no behavior issues. If they ever get sick, they’ll be treated with homeopathic and natural remedies by the natural vet we know. They continue with their raw, organic meat and bones diet; get no drugs, chemicals, or toxic junk. We expect them to live a much healthier and longer life, maybe the 25-30 years that was the norm before vaxs and kibble.

        While our hearts go out to the millions of animals needing rescue, my husband and I are rewarding ourselves with 2 dogs from a natural rearing breeder. We want healthy, happy, well-adjusted dogs to love and enjoy. We’ll never vaccinate, alter or do any of the harmful “standard” practices done to animals these days. Too much harm has been done by all of that. People need to know the truth – a vaccinated animal can never be a truly “healthy” animal. The more vaccines given, the more damage and the shorter the life.

    14. Greg Mu

      Great, though-provoking article. I wish I had come across this six weeks ago as I am the proud owner of my first puppy, a Parson Russell Terrier.

      So much of being a new dog owner is overwhelming and I’ve found myself nodding my head in agreement as the breeder and vet tell me what they think is necessary, most of the information flying over my head.

      At just over 8 weeks, my pup received DA2PP from the breeder, 3 weeks later received a second DA2PPC, and just 3 weeks after that received a DHLPP. I have to admit, I’m not sure what to make of this. Would this qualify as ‘Too Early, Too Often, and Too Much”?

      And if so, where do I go from here? Do I request a titer, or Vaccicheck, from my vet? Will rabies be the only other vaccination she’ll need going forward?

      Also, how would I go about finding holistic pet care in my area? Is there a directory for such care in the US?

      Thanks again for the wonderful insight.

    15. Julio

      My 2 year old Lola died from Immune Mediated Hemolytic Anemia (IMHA) from booster shots. I was a horrible disease and despite 7 blood transfusions she passed away. I now have 2 Havanese and only gave them 2 rounds of puppy shots and will wait for the rabies at 6 months but the rabies shot will be Themorisol free (Mercury and Aluminum). Make sure your vet uses that one it should have (TF) on the bottle or your dogs will suffer from many ailments later in life.

    16. Amanda

      The reason why these diseases are so rare is because we vaccinate! I have seen cases of distemper and parvo, the chance survival is very low. Vaccine reactions are extremely rare, especially the ones that cause and anaphylactic reaction or death. When I hear of littermates that die from the same vaccine, it’s usually genetic and they shouldn’t keep producing litters! Osteosarcoma can also be genetic. Breeders are upset because something bad happened to their puppies, but maybe it wasn’t a good breeding combination! I would also like to know if the vaccinated bitch was vaccinated by a vet, or like many breeders did she vaccinate at home with a vaccine that she bought at some pet store or online? If that’s the case I have no doubt that the bitch is not as protected as she thinks. Vaccines are meant to protect your pet, but also the other pets and people. Leptospirosis, which is often included in a distemper combination vaccine, is a zoonotic disease, meaning like rabies, can be passed along to humans. If you want to risk kidney and liver failure by something that could have been prevented, go ahead and ignore vaccine protocols that have been put in place by veterinarians who have done years of studying and research. Do you want to trust the opinion of a licensed veterinarian who has gone to school for at least 8 years and who has compiled many hours of continuing education, our a breeder who has no education relating to animal medicine, immunology or pharmacology?

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        Trust the breeder – she doesn’t have financial ties to vaccines. She also co-writes many articles with holistic vets and publishes the largest homeopathic magazine in the world, one which holistic vets clamour to be included in. She also knows that the original parvovirus strain that killed all those dogs in the 80′s is still out there and there is no vaccine to protect against it. Why isn’t it infecting dogs? Because they have developed herd immunity, just as nature intended. How many vets know this? Not many.
        Here’s one more thing this breeder knows: there are thousands of wild dogs and wolves walking around with titers for these diseases. If parvovirus and distemper aren’t decimating the wild dog population, what makes you so certain they will decimate the domestic dog population? Go ahead and blindly trust your vet if you wish – that’s your prerogative. But these are the same vets who’ve known for nearly 40 years that one core vaccine protects a dog for life, yet continue to vaccinate them over and over again. Veterinary medicine has lost its soul. Pet owners can stay on the sinking ship or start taking back control of their pets’ health and well being. The choice is yours to make.

        • We lost our lovely sweet chuhauha because of “shots” the The Vet killed her and she suffered so much The first time we took her to a animal hospital where she stayed for two weeks and they could find nothing wrong with her-they did every test known to man In the end the they said it was the distemper vaccination that caused the sezeres *our vet basicly threw us out and told us ther was nothing they could do and would not even give her someting for the sezurers * we drove two hours to get to the hospital while she suffered the whole time
          We saved her for while:She was with us 5 years before she was once agian hit
          in October we lost her to the same thing Vets know what they are doing She was too tiny and too young and they did not tell us that All they wanted was the money and we trusted this vet Find out for yourself Do not trust vets I waited until our new puppy was 4 months before I gave him any shots and he will not be getting any more -We have had dogs all our life *farm dogs* and they never had any kind of vacinations and they lived long and healthy lives and never once did they go to a vet *our oldest was 18 years old when she passed on Any time there is money involved there is coruption Look at the flu shots they are givng humans! Does anyone know they can stop getting the flu from taking vitamin D3?? Does anyone realize why we get sick in winter but almost never in summer *its called the sun!* Please find out for yourself Do not expose yourself or your loved pets to the world of greed and big farma Our little chi suffered so much I will never forget the look on her face Her whole body was in pain we could not touch her and it was all for greed

        • louree

          I say SPEAK OUT dogs naturally-because I am SICK and TIRED of the public being BRAINWASHED into thinking stuff -that just isn’t SO. My mom was pre med, and in her day she learned the body only needed a vaccination ONCE, it took, Not the “wisdom” of this era. We have an “access” mentality that is KILLING everything, and is usually MOTIVATED by a need to increase the bottom line. Sorry, compassion in vets doesn’t always pay their bills, and so they don’t always act prudently. And they are TAINTED by the vet schools to promote the pharmaceutical companies, treat symptoms not find cures or the cause. So present an alternative viewpoint, it is what America NEEDS. And let the balkers comment. Wise people appreciate not conforming when it is the HEALTHIEST choice.

      • I can’t trust vets anymore. I have worked on the rabies overvaccination problem is MN for the past three years. Visit http://www.powershotsmn.com As consumers the lack of consumer informed consent, and disclosure is shocking when it comes to the overvaccination. Are vets educated, and really informed about vaccines? I have talked to so many MN vets who did not even know what the rabies Compendium was, let alone read it. Hours of education don’t mean a thing if vets don’t follow their oath, or want to uphold guideline vaccination protocols, or take the time to read scientific data..

        By the way I just got a check from a vaccine manufacturer for $3,500.00 for a “vaccine failure”. This dog was vaccinated through a vet clinic, by AHAA guidelines. The dog came down with Parvo. Puppy lived. I wonder how much vaccine failure is out there? Jane

        • louree

          exactly…vets can’t always keep up with the info…they trust the wrong info from the companies they represent. Educated doesn’t imply CURRENT, so hello!

      • Lillian

        I’ll trust the breeder. Schools teach you the way they want you to learn, namely, to make money for the pharmaceutical companies that give them endowments. A good breeder simply wants to protect her animals and improve the breed. Vaccines are not as “safe” as you think and are not responsible for the decline in these diseases. The responsibility lies in good hygiene, care and being well nourished as well as receiving fresh, non contaminated water. Also, many diseases become eradicated over time due to the natural immune response.
        I, for one, believe less is more in terms of vaccination.

    17. Connie

      None of our dogs will ever receive a vaccination again. On april 12, 2013, our Min Pin, Stewie, was dropped off for his 6 month checkup. He was given the DAPP shot at that time, without my consent or knowledge. I was furious because Stewie is a senior, and also because Stewie just four months before had been on six weeks of antibiotic treatment for a lower jaw bone infection, so his immune system was not built back up yet. Stewie also had what THAT vet’s partner stated was a grade 5-6 heart murmur. He should NEVER have been vaccinated.

      Stewie began with lethargy after the shot, followed by extreme sneezing, coughing, and yellow mucous leaking from his nose. He then developed full body edema and pulmonary edema. He gained TWO lbs in TWO weeks! His heart felt like it was going to beat right out of his chest.

      He then began bleeding from his penis. It was not blood tinged urine, but blood dripping out. The vet put him on lasix, which took care of the edema. They wanted to put him on Vetmedin, which I refused, because I just knew in my bones that he was not in CHF. He also began to devlop pustules that were breaking out on his skin.

      I took Stewie to a homeopathic vet who began detoxing him and I also began giving him bovine colostrum, apple cider vinegar, and coconut oil. I also added a good probiotic and he gets Canine Cardiac Support by Standard Process, Spectrin vitamins and a formula for arthritis. Stewie was a raw fed dog for several months before all this happened, and it may be that being raw fed, along with being detoxed for vaccinosis, are things that enabled him to pull through this ordeal. It took about 5-6 months, but Stewie is now 99% back on track. He runs and play bows, and is enjoying life once again. Stewie is around 12-13 years old now. Don’t know for sure because he was adopted two years ago at around 10+ years old.

    18. My dogs are now 4 and 5 years old and I would prefer not give them anything other than the rabies vaccination required by law. My previous dogs never received anything other than the rabies vacc after their puppy shots. Parvo in puppies does concern me. The countless deadly cases in my Yorkie community are evidence that it is not so easily treatable.

    19. Michelle

      I had 5 dogs at the time of vaccination, March 21 2013. On April 15, my1 1/2 year old male jack russell terrier began have grand mal seizures. They became clusters and continued through September 2013, when he had 40 clusters and had to go to the hospital. The drug company Merck, one of the makers of the rabies vaccine, denied that seizures can be caused from vaccines, although they have a website online that shows otherwise. The neurologist denied it also, although he didn’t want to give him a cat scan because he would have a hard time seeing past the inflammation. WHAT? So he admits their is only inflammation though only due to the brain having seizures and the more seizures having inflammation. I was sure he has inflammation prior to his every 21 day of clusters. So after he came home from the hospital in Sept 2013, I began giving him CBD oil. No seizures since. When his head feels warm (without a rise in his normal temp), and/or at times his eyes twitch more than normal, I just give him a dropperful of CBD oil and within 10 minutes his warm forehead is NORMAL. and he has been seizure free for 48 days. MY OTHER DOG WAS NOT SO LUCKY.
      All 5 dogs were vaccinated, my dog Zoe, my other jack russell succumbed to IMMUNE MEDIATED THROMBOCYTOPENIA, July 12, 2013. Same vaccinations, same lot number. She had a blood transfusion, was put on PREDNISONE, and other drugs as well. Less than two weeks later she ended up with pneumonia. The vets did not tell me that the prednisone could cause pneumonia, as well as what came later, diabetes and muscle wasting. She went through hell. Now, out of five dogs, a third dog, (cocker spaniel-terrier mix), was diagnosed with IMMUNE MEDIATED HEMOLYTIC ANEMIA. She had 10% of the normal amount of red blood cells. She had to also have a blood transfusion. She is home now, but the vet is denying any link to the vaccines that were given to all of these dogs on the same day in March 2013. BE CAREFUL. Many vets appear to protect the drug companies. Are they getting kick backs, like the human doctors? Our physicians are getting free vacations etc, for prescribing meds to us. My bill this year for 3 dogs was approximately $18,000. This has been a hardship for my family and we lost a sweet, innocent 5 year old, Zoe. Seems like their is nothing but GREED going around and animal population control. The drug companies are getting rich and the vets are earning a good income, off killing our pets. Do you notice how many people that have pets you know, when talking with them, their dogs are even on PREDNISONE for skin itching conditions? I use to remember when I was poor, I couldn’t afford to vaccinate my pets and they were healthier than any of my dogs now!

    20. Thanks for sharing this great article, As many people having puppies dont have much knowledge about perfect time to give puppy vaccination and which vaccination should be given. Your blog contains great points to handle that situation in agreat way. Thanks

    21. lucy

      Please be careful with the information you provide. Canine adenovirus is not a harmless respiratory virus, but causes highly deadly infectious hepatitis. Thankfully a rare condition, thanks to vaccination.

    22. Dei

      What then would you recommend in an area where parvo, distemper, and lepto are rampant and titer tests are still too expensive and usually unavailable?

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        The same. Everybody thinks they live in an area rampant with parvo, distemper and lepto because that’s what vets tell them. The incidence of all of these diseases is quite low, especially compared to the incidence of vaccine induced diseases.

        • Diane

          Where did you get this statistical info from? I see lots of dogs die from preventable diseases in the unfortunately large shelter and rescue environments. I only hear of Lepto reactions in small dogs and some breeds. Vaccination decisions need to be discussed with a professional, not sought online. It all depends on the dogs history, environments, living conditions, hobbies, health, genetics etc.

          • Dogs Naturally Magazine

            Hi Diane
            You mean the same professionals who have known for forty years that only one core vaccine will protect an animal for life? The same professionals who are ignoring this research and continue to vaccinate every year or every three years, when there is no scientific research showing the need to ever repeat a vaccination? There is not one single study showing the need to revaccinate and there never has been. The professionals are ignoring the research and continuing to vaccinate on scientifically unsound schedules – and this is the sad reason why people have to use online articles to find the truth.

            • louree

              I concur, why is it that people won’t do the RESEARCH. Follow the $$$ people, find out who is BACKING the testing, the results and what it means to their INVESTORS. Then come back to me and tell me it is for the good of the pet. NO SIR, it is not. I have two camps of friends, one’s that run to the vet and spend thousands treating symptoms, and have their pets on diets of store bought dry kibble. The “better” dog food from the pet store, really? Their dogs have all died before their time, with very involved diseases, though all started out as healthy puppies. Then we have the reverse camp, we rarely go to the vet, we don’t believe in unnecessary vaccinations, we cook organically for our pets, we treat with herbs on rare occasions if a health concern arises. Our pets are all well past their breeds expiration avg and our pets have had better quality lives. That is MY control group, a random sample but proves that those of us that don’t follow vet “recommendations” have better results. Our pets are happier, they have longevity, and the vets didn’t PROFIT off us, because we used our brain, did the research necessary to PROTECT our pets from those who are “educated”, “trained” and know best…well BUNK!!!! Is what I say. Do right by your pet and don’t buy into the JUNK that most of the vets are promoting as gospel! I am not saying they are evil or shouldn’t be consulted, I am just in agreement that in most cases a lot of what they promote isn’t what is best for your pet. It is just what they have been taught, what they might need to do to keep their doors open as a biz, etc. I want my pet to have the BEST, and for me, that has been to take the road less traveled as the healthier option!

    23. JADE

      When I was a first time dog parent, I had my 4 month old puppy vaccinated with the Rabies vaccine. That same day, he was lethargic and had diareha. When I called my vet and told him about the adverse reaction, the vet said that his symtoms had nothing to do with the vaccine. I never went back to that vet or that clinic again. I did go to my local holistic pet shop and got a detox herbal tonic which really helped get him back to shape fast. Since that time I’ve adopted 2 more rescue dogs and I’ve had my pack for a total of 5 years. I keep them healthy by feeding them non-grain organic raw food with vitamin supplements. Like an underground criminal, I no longer give my dogs the “recommended” or “legal” shots but keep quiet about it. It is worth it if it means that my fur kids will lead a long healthy life. Btw, for those of you who still think that vaccines are the best thing since sliced bread, my own son was vaccinated when he was 3 monhts old, he contracted the virus that he was suppose to be protected from and ended up having emergency surgery to save his life. Lesson learned……..the hard way.

    24. JudeAnn Baillod

      I just got a new yorkie puppy. He was vaccinated at 8 weeks then at just under 12 weeks. If it were up to me I would prefer she not done any at all. There are no vets in my area that do titers. My question… Should I give him the single parvo vaccine at 16 weeks? I ordered this shot and will this on my own since none of the vets offer this. I also ordered the distemper vaccine, but reading this article, it seems he will not need it?
      If you think I should not, I’m happy to not give it to him.

      • K. Kipling

        You can have titers done yourself. Just have your vet draw the blood and send them to Dr. Jean Dodds. A full report will be sent back to you.
        hemopet.org is the web site you want to go to for all the information needed to do this.
        Hope this helps you make the necessary decisions for your fur kid :-)

    25. Virginia McGrath

      I lost my dog to IMHA last year that was brought on by over vaccination. My cocker spaniel was vaccinated every year based on the advice of my vet. I have 3 other cockers I immediately I stopped the vaccinations for the two senior dogs. My other is a puppy 1 1/2 and follow through on the vaccination protocol due to pressure from my vet. What is the protocol for vaccinating a dog? My vet will not run titters and find zero value in them. I want to do the right thing for my animals but am not sure where to turn for advice. By the way my 8 year old cocker received a distemper shot this year due to a great deal of pressure from out vet 2 weeks later my dog started to have seizures.

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        You might want to turn to a different vet for advice. In nearly all animals, the core vaccines last for life.

      • If your vet will not a tetters test then go to another vet He is taking YOUR money so he needs to do what YOU ask Yes the seizures are typical of a dog that has been vaccinated As I said we lost our Chi because of this and it was the distemper vac that caused it Please your dogs do not need all these shots!

    26. Destiny White

      Please help!!

      I vaccinated my Papillon puppy on September 5th. She just turned 4 months on the September 19th. The combo shots on September 5th were her THIRD set (breeder gave her one at 7 1/2 weeks), then vet gave her one at 10 weeks, and then at 14 weeks.

      He wants me to give her ANOTHER saying she needs one more over 16 weeks. I want to titer test instead. This Thursday it will be a MONTH since her last vaccine. Did I wait to long to titer or if I did it this week, the result would come back good?

      Please help!!!!

    27. Laurie Willberg

      Fantastic article. Sadly these incidents of adverse vaccine reactions are all too common and absolutely devastating to pet owners. This devastation seems to take a back seat to protecting industry.
      Most pet owners wouldn’t know enough to consider having a DNA test to determine if vaccine virus became active in their puppy/dog. Of course there’s a liability issue here, one which pet owners might consider pursuing.
      As with any other health topic, consumers have to educate themselves and also understand that as far as medical services are concerned they need to put themselves in the drivers’ seat. That person in the white lab coat is performing a service for pay just like any other service provider and is supposed to be a counsellor, not a dictator.

    28. Erin Warren

      When reading this article, I wondered what you would recommend for dogs and puppies in shelters. I have vaccinated puppies for years while volunteering in rescue and have never seen a reaction to a vaccine. In addition, in the area where I live there are parts of the metroplex where distemper and parvo are rampant. We(my rescue group) start vaccines at 7-8 weeks and then booster at 3-4wk intervals. We are taking our puppies to adoption events and such so vaccines have always been seen as important. I personally do not continue to vaccinate my adult dogs as they have had all their shots growing up. I did titer one of my senior dogs for parvo b/c I had a parvo puppy at my house at one time. My senior dog hadn’t been vaccinated for about 6yrs when he was titered. The parvo titer showed he was WAY OVER protected, about 7 times what he needed. I have always felt do to the high rate of distemper and parvo in the area, that puppy vaccines are important.

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        In shelters, vaccination can be done in puppies and a titer run three weeks later. This will prevent unnecessary revaccination. As for not seeing a vaccine reaction, many take weeks, months or even years to become evident, such as hypothyroidism, cancer, allergies, heart disease and joint disease.

        • Kay

          Or… it can be that it’s not the vaccination causing those ailments at all, and simply genetic factors. While I agree that we shouldn’t be vaccinating on a yearly basis, articles like this are spreading fear and misinformation (distemper is not ONLY carried by raccoons, there are many species that can infect a pup, mustelids come to mind.) is going to cause a further paranoia on the part of owners NOT to vaccinate. While your author may be exceptionally smart, I do not not doubt that, remember that the general public will twist statements pretty quickly, and the internet tends to latch onto articles like this to say, “See! I don’t need to vaccinate my puppy!”

          The comments on this article should tell you that…

    29. Cathy Cappello

      I found this article to be frightening and not totally accurate. Uninformed people may take it the wrong way and not vaccinate their dogs. Vaccines are used for a reason and should be done responsibly following the newest guidelines. As a Breeder of 36 years, I follow the most recent studies and I work very closely with my Veterinarian who does not over-vaccinate and does agree to titers. To not vaccinate properly can have serious consequences. The newer strain of Parvo is very deadly, maybe 40% survive after a lengthy and expensive treatment, some are left with serious health problems after their recovery. I think it is important for everyone to be fully informed, and not take this article as being accurate or the rule of thumb.

      • Dogs Naturally Magazine

        With all due respect, what are these most recent studies? We’d like to know of any recent studies that might prove otherwise.

    30. Dolleen Strum

      As a breeder I found this article on immunization very interesting. I think I need to forward it to a vet clinic in the Klienburg/(Toronto) area who recently treated (over vaccinated ) a puppy I recently sold to a family who have never owned a dog before. Despite explicit instructions I provided to them regarding vaccinating, the vet pressured them into having a Rabies vaccination given even though it was only 12 days following the puppy having received its second combo shot prior to going to her new home. The puppy vomited several times after receiving the shot and a loss of appetite. This vet said the two shots were not related therefore it would be OK and should not cause any problems. Contacted the following day to report the vomiting etc, she told the owners the puppy must have a sensitivity to vaccines!! I know rabies can cause a reaction however this puppy never had any reaction from the combo vaccines that were given at 9 and 13 weeks. . She also scheduled them to return to have the third puppy combo shot 2 weeks after the Rabies vaccination she gave!! They thankfully cancelled their appointment and will no longer be going to this vet, Very upsetting to hear that some veterinarians still “push” vaccinations in this manner especially to smaller breed dogs, given all the information now available regarding the problems associated with over vaccination. People please be aware and please ask your vet questions and follow a vaccination protocol that is safe and effective for your pets.

    31. Karen

      Very helpful article. I had already decided to titer my animals so this just reinforced my thinking. Thank you!

    32. As I continue to agonize over puppy vaccination I find this article particularly helpful. Thank you for putting it out there!

    33. Your article on vaccinations was great.

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